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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by headshot » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am

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Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:34 am
I’ve been forced to cancel the five dates in The Netherlands that my theatre company has fulfilled for the last 15 years.

The lack of information about how our company and freelancers would be dealt with on the border, plus the need for carnets, made it far too expensive and time consuming to be worthwhile.
Aaaaand, it looks like we can't do Northern Ireland either without prohibitive amounts of paperwork and expenses.

f.cking hell.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Gfamily » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:00 am

headshot wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am
headshot wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:34 am
I’ve been forced to cancel the five dates in The Netherlands that my theatre company has fulfilled for the last 15 years.

The lack of information about how our company and freelancers would be dealt with on the border, plus the need for carnets, made it far too expensive and time consuming to be worthwhile.
Aaaaand, it looks like we can't do Northern Ireland either without prohibitive amounts of paperwork and expenses.

f.cking hell.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Grumble » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:59 pm

headshot wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am
headshot wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:34 am
I’ve been forced to cancel the five dates in The Netherlands that my theatre company has fulfilled for the last 15 years.

The lack of information about how our company and freelancers would be dealt with on the border, plus the need for carnets, made it far too expensive and time consuming to be worthwhile.
Aaaaand, it looks like we can't do Northern Ireland either without prohibitive amounts of paperwork and expenses.

f.cking hell.
Really? f.cking hell, I can understand goods but not theatre.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:07 pm

It's a Punch and Judy show and the sausages are stuck at the border.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by headshot » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:31 am

Grumble wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:59 pm
headshot wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am
headshot wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:34 am
I’ve been forced to cancel the five dates in The Netherlands that my theatre company has fulfilled for the last 15 years.

The lack of information about how our company and freelancers would be dealt with on the border, plus the need for carnets, made it far too expensive and time consuming to be worthwhile.
Aaaaand, it looks like we can't do Northern Ireland either without prohibitive amounts of paperwork and expenses.

f.cking hell.
Really? f.cking hell, I can understand goods but not theatre.
All of our set, scenery, costumes and tools etc are classed as commercial goods. This either requires an ATA Carnet for the EU, or a duplicate list and customs deposit. Every item has to be listed, described and weighed - and we just don't have the time or resources to do this on tour.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:56 am

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by noggins » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:56 am

headshot wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:31 am
Grumble wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:59 pm
headshot wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am


Aaaaand, it looks like we can't do Northern Ireland either without prohibitive amounts of paperwork and expenses.

f.cking hell.
Really? f.cking hell, I can understand goods but not theatre.
All of our set, scenery, costumes and tools etc are classed as commercial goods. This either requires an ATA Carnet for the EU, or a duplicate list and customs deposit. Every item has to be listed, described and weighed - and we just don't have the time or resources to do this on tour.
How much is the stuff worth?

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by headshot » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:33 am

About £10k

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Martin Y » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:49 pm

Another Brexit bonus: EE announce the return of roaming charges to punish the unpatriotic for the use of their plucky British phones in treacherous foreign places. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Little waster » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:09 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:49 pm
Another Brexit bonus: EE announce the return of roaming charges to punish the unpatriotic for the use of their plucky British phones in treacherous foreign places. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
Still... bluetooth passwords.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:18 am

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by noggins » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:11 pm

Could you sell it to a friendly european for a sum high enough to satisfy EU customs its then free circulation goods, , pay a peppercorn rental fee, then buy it back on your last leg?

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:08 pm

The deterioration in relations with the EU has come as a surprise to those who campaigned to leave the bloc five years ago, the government has admitted.
The Brexit minister, David Frost, said they had dreamed of a sovereign Britain, which could set forth on a global mission while maintaining friendly relations with its neighbours.
Weirdly, not doing what they said they would regarding Northern Ireland is having consequences and can't just be fudged or bluffed away.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Little waster » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:15 am

shpalman wrote:
Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:08 pm
while maintaining friendly relations with its neighbours.
Weirdly, not doing what they said they would regarding Northern Ireland is having consequences and can't just be fudged or bluffed away.
It’s also baffling that the second part hasn’t also worked out as expected. Who’d guessed?
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:57 pm

"It's very well known that I voted Brexit, but the idea is that when it is done you then go in and tediously replace all the rules which you just voted against you moron.
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Boustrophedon » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:46 pm

shpalman wrote:
Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:08 pm
The deterioration in relations with the EU has come as a surprise to those who campaigned to leave the bloc five years ago, the government has admitted.
The Brexit minister, David Frost, said they had dreamed of a sovereign Britain, which could set forth on a global mission while maintaining friendly relations with its neighbours.
Weirdly, not doing what they said they would regarding Northern Ireland is having consequences and can't just be fudged or bluffed away.
The history, the convoluted politics and the toxic religious strife, means that Northern Ireland always, always, always f.cks up the best laid plans of Westminster politicians. It's a given. I said right at the start before the Brexit vote: "Northern Ireland will f.ck it up."
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by jimbob » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:28 am

Boustrophedon wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:46 pm
shpalman wrote:
Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:08 pm
The deterioration in relations with the EU has come as a surprise to those who campaigned to leave the bloc five years ago, the government has admitted.
The Brexit minister, David Frost, said they had dreamed of a sovereign Britain, which could set forth on a global mission while maintaining friendly relations with its neighbours.
Weirdly, not doing what they said they would regarding Northern Ireland is having consequences and can't just be fudged or bluffed away.
The history, the convoluted politics and the toxic religious strife, means that Northern Ireland always, always, always f.cks up the best laid plans of Westminster politicians. It's a given. I said right at the start before the Brexit vote: "Northern Ireland will f.ck it up."
Yup, that was the first thing I said to my colleague... he studied at Queens and worked at Seagate (in Derry/Londonderry) as he's obviously neutral (Iranian) he used to get told about 300 years of grievances from whichever side of the factory they came from.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:33 pm

Thread: https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 51750?s=20

EU to allow an extension of the grace period on chilled meats.

But the extension is to allow NI retailers more time to adjust their supply chains. So they are expected to source sausages from NI or from the EU (ie Ireland).

Lets see what happens next time the deadline runs out.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:17 pm

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Re: Brexit Consequences

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:01 pm

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:52 pm

headshot wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am
headshot wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:34 am
I’ve been forced to cancel the five dates in The Netherlands that my theatre company has fulfilled for the last 15 years.

The lack of information about how our company and freelancers would be dealt with on the border, plus the need for carnets, made it far too expensive and time consuming to be worthwhile.
Aaaaand, it looks like we can't do Northern Ireland either without prohibitive amounts of paperwork and expenses.

f.cking hell.
Today Lord Frost has said he feels “sorry” on a “personal level” for workers in the creative industries being refused jobs in the EU
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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by plodder » Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:17 am

Neither party will do much. Apparently the UK requested the extension, which made *all* the difference. We’re clearly heading into b.llsh.t territory.

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Re: Brexit Consequences

Post by shpalman » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:14 am

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