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FlammableFlower wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:17 pm

Hope you're ok bolo

Thanks. I'm fine. I live far enough out in the suburbs that I'm not affected. Lots of friends and colleagues in DC proper though, some of them with young children, which would be scary.

secret squirrel wrote: ↑

Sun May 31, 2020 9:08 am

Martin_B wrote: ↑

Sun May 31, 2020 5:46 am

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Sun May 31, 2020 3:30 am

Canada flies under the radar because everyone looks at the US. In reality it is colonialist, patriarchal and white supremacist.

Study Proves Canada Is Actually More Racist Than The United States



https://www.mtlblog.com/news/canada/stu ... ted-states

And MTL blog has never had issues with reporting factually incorrect information, or accepting money for reporting content, eh?

The article links to the paper they're talking about though, so you can just read that if you have doubts about the article itself.

The article links to a media statement about racism is public health. It doesn't reference a study or mention comparisons to other countries.
I had a quick search but couldn't find the study on the site.

plebian wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:41 am

secret squirrel wrote: ↑

Sun May 31, 2020 9:08 am

The article links to the paper they're talking about though, so you can just read that if you have doubts about the article itself.

The article links to a media statement about racism is public health. It doesn't reference a study or mention comparisons to other countries.
I had a quick search but couldn't find the study on the site.

It's linked right at the end of the article. For convenience, here it is.

Trump and Johnson now have something else in common - they've both upset the bishops. But of course, Trump has gone bigger with his efforts.

bolo wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:48 pm

FlammableFlower wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:17 pm

Hope you're ok bolo

Thanks. I'm fine. I live far enough out in the suburbs that I'm not affected. Lots of friends and colleagues in DC proper though, some of them with young children, which would be scary.

VA or MD?

The number of attacks by police on journalists is incredible.

BBC cameraman charged at by cops in riot gear. Cops from the USA and Germany shot with pepper spray, rubber bullets and other projectiles, and threatened with arrests. In most cases they seem to have been clearly identified as press, and in most cases it's on camera.

Quoted in that article,

US Press Freedom Tracker wrote:To put some perspective on the unprecedented nature of the weekend's attacks on journalists:

At @USPressTracker, we've documented 100-150 press freedom violations in the US per year, for the last 3 years.

We are currently investigating *over 100* FROM JUST THE LAST 3 DAYS.

Meanwhile, the President has this to say: "The Lamestream Media is doing everything within their power to foment hatred and anarchy." Journalists are "truly bad people with a sick agenda".

Is this it, folks? Is this how the US finalises its transition into full-blown fascism? It's not like we didn't see it coming.

Meanwhile Joe Biden, ever the responsible moderate, has found the perfect fence-sitting solution that nobody could disagree with: when confronting an armed person, police should shoot them in the leg rather than the heart.

Truly a message I'm sure the whole country will unite behind.

Gentleman Jim wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:31 am

bolo wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:48 pm

FlammableFlower wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:17 pm

Hope you're ok bolo

Thanks. I'm fine. I live far enough out in the suburbs that I'm not affected. Lots of friends and colleagues in DC proper though, some of them with young children, which would be scary.

VA or MD?

VA

ETA: There have been protests in some of the suburbs as well,.but smaller and less chaotic, and since I'm still in stay at home mode, I'm not hearing anything except on the news.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:49 pm

The number of attacks by police on journalists is incredible.

BBC cameraman charged at by cops in riot gear. Cops from the USA and Germany shot with pepper spray, rubber bullets and other projectiles, and threatened with arrests. In most cases they seem to have been clearly identified as press, and in most cases it's on camera.

Quoted in that article,

US Press Freedom Tracker wrote:To put some perspective on the unprecedented nature of the weekend's attacks on journalists:

At @USPressTracker, we've documented 100-150 press freedom violations in the US per year, for the last 3 years.

We are currently investigating *over 100* FROM JUST THE LAST 3 DAYS.

Meanwhile, the President has this to say: "The Lamestream Media is doing everything within their power to foment hatred and anarchy." Journalists are "truly bad people with a sick agenda".

Is this it, folks? Is this how the US finalises its transition into full-blown fascism? It's not like we didn't see it coming.

I still think stochastic terrorism is the explanation. No commander giving directions, but a lot of individual lone wolves in the police forces hearing the same message. It's inevitable some will respond with action and attack fake news journalists.

When you've spent 3.5 years in a white supremacist bubble you'll believe in enemies of the people and you use your police powers to fight back. Derek Chauvin is a stochastic terrorist. He's killed before, believes in MAGA and wanted to take the opportunity to trigger the race war his leader has asked for. He will have performed a number of terrorist acts against black suspects in the past until this final one where he succeeded in getting global publicity.

The police are rioting because they want to, rather than because they've been ordered to or because they think it will help. It's statistically probable a MAGA terrorist will murder CNN journalists in a "random" attack because this is what has been scripted across many, many episodes of the Trump tweet and rally show.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:52 pm

They're already shooting at people standing peacefully on their own property, tear gassing and macing crowds, etc. The only conceivable way to escalate that violence is through increased use of live rounds.

There's only a few months till the election, so if some fascists did want to complete their takeover of the US this would be the perfect time to start militarizing major cities, implementing curfews, restricting free assembly and so on.

(I know some people were claiming the same about coronavirus, but the obvious difference is that only the USA is starting to send soldiers into the streets. I reckon it's unlikely anyway, though - much cheaper to just control the media, gerrymander, supply dodgy voting machines, suppress turnout and lose ballots)

Anyone watch the US House of Cards where a very devious unpopular president engineers an increased terror threat so there are troops on the streets when people are voting?

Trinucleus wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:42 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:52 pm

They're already shooting at people standing peacefully on their own property, tear gassing and macing crowds, etc. The only conceivable way to escalate that violence is through increased use of live rounds.

There's only a few months till the election, so if some fascists did want to complete their takeover of the US this would be the perfect time to start militarizing major cities, implementing curfews, restricting free assembly and so on.

(I know some people were claiming the same about coronavirus, but the obvious difference is that only the USA is starting to send soldiers into the streets. I reckon it's unlikely anyway, though - much cheaper to just control the media, gerrymander, supply dodgy voting machines, suppress turnout and lose ballots)

Anyone watch the US House of Cards where a very devious unpopular president engineers an increased terror threat so there are troops on the streets when people are voting?

DC and 9 states are voting in primaries today.

shpalman wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:47 pm

FlammableFlower wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:22 pm

Washington Post wrote:During a conference call Monday, Trump berated the state leaders, calling them “weak,” and urged them to “dominate” protesters, according to officials familiar with the president’s remarks. The conference call followed another turbulent night across the nation, as protests that began peacefully exploded into mayhem.

This will go well...

Did he make that call from his bunker where he was cowering like a pathetic f.cking little coward?

Didn't take it far enough, IMHO.

He bravely strode to the church to wave a bible about (I hope it burnt him to hold it) having got the police to tear-gas the clergy out of the way first.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:52 pm

They're already shooting at people standing peacefully on their own property, tear gassing and macing crowds, etc. The only conceivable way to escalate that violence is through increased use of live rounds.

I used to think that the Americans who bought themselves an arsenal to protect themselves from their own government were crazy... now I'm not so sure!

TopBadger wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:07 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:52 pm

They're already shooting at people standing peacefully on their own property, tear gassing and macing crowds, etc. The only conceivable way to escalate that violence is through increased use of live rounds.

I used to think that the Americans who bought themselves an arsenal to protect themselves from their own government were crazy... now I'm not so sure!

What's 'interesting' is that the people getting beaten and shot at are all unarmed.

Faced with incontrovertible evidence of actual tyranny on US soil, the gun nuts are nowhere to be seen. Colour me unsurprised.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:15 pm

TopBadger wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:07 pm

I used to think that the Americans who bought themselves an arsenal to protect themselves from their own government were crazy... now I'm not so sure!

What's 'interesting' is that the people getting beaten and shot at are all unarmed.

Like I said a while back; 1st amendment bad, 2nd amendment good.

If you want to protest your rights, marching on the town hall with the deadliest weapons you can legally obtain is clearly not in any way objectionable. Not compared to standing holding a placard. I guess there's a reason they call them "rights" and not "lefts".

Very long BuzzFeed list of apparent hoaxes: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ja ... d-protests

Imagine if Chinese government officials were meeting with protest organizers with whom they had built up relationships for several years.

f.cking hell, Pat Robertson parts ways with Trump. I don’t know how influential Pat actually is, but I get the impression he’s one of the top televangelists.

bolo wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:54 pm

VA

ETA: There have been protests in some of the suburbs as well,.but smaller and less chaotic, and since I'm still in stay at home mode, I'm not hearing anything except on the news.

What has amazed my wife is that her home city of Baltimore has been so peaceful - well, in regards to this anyway

A majority of USians support the burning down of a police station. The cops have really lost public support, it seems.

"Do you think the anger that led to these protests are justified?"
Justified 78%
Not Justified 18%

"Given the events around George Floyd, including the burning on a police precinct is..."
Justified 54%
Not Justified 38%

National @MonmouthPoll

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/sta ... 67011?s=19

Sanders making a good case for things that can be done to solve this at the federal level.

There we go. Discussion of the ins and outs and ups and downs of protesting when there's a pandemic on is here. Have at it. Feel free to flag up if I've missed any posts that should move.