The Gazan Health Ministry have reportedly also released names, ID numbers and ages of all of the casualties they are claiming (up until 3pm local time today). That makes verification possible, eventually, and isn't what you'd do if you were greatly inflating numbers for long term propaganda.monkey wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:18 pmOn this, the Guardian have just done a bit on the Gazan casualty numbers - clicky I have been wondering why Important People have been suggesting that the Health Ministry can't be trusted to count properly when I haven't noticed that happening in the past. It's mostly a guy from Human Rights Watch explaining why they trust the Health Ministry numbers. The TL/DR is that he says they've been accurate in the past.lpm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:00 pmIt's unbelievable how some people just repeat the lies of a terrorist group.
Yesterday Biden got asked about the Gaza death toll claimed by Hamas and said he has "no confidence on the numbers".
My twitter feed was full of people angry about this comment and calling Biden a genocide denier. And I don't even follow the worst Corbynite end of left wing commentators.
Personally, I wouldn't take anything counted while bombs are still falling as gospel because of the bombs complicating things (which is also pointed out in the article). I wouldn't call anyone who questioned Hamas's trustworthiness a genocide denier, because there's good reason to do that too.
While Hamas are c.nts, there is also an incentive for Israel to make you unsure about how many civilians they are killing - which is going to be a number far greater than zero - as it is harder to complain or care about civilian deaths if you don't know how many there are.
Of course, if you were only trying for short term effect, and didn't care about being trusted in the future, then verification wouldn't be so much of a concern for you. And a list of casualties doesn't tell you the cause of death, or which side is proximately to blame for those deaths.