Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:14 am
Oh yeah. That gives the UK an extra few weeks then
You do know that the EU is in grave difficulties with authoritarian regimes in Poland and Hungary so has limited capacity and probably patience to deal with other troublemakers right now?Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:27 am... maybe a special session of the EU Parliament just before New Year, or maybe something else. But it’s not certain they’d work out...
Certainly, the EU has limited capacity to deal with Brexit, and Brexit isn't its top priority.bmforre wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:19 amYou do know that the EU is in grave difficulties with authoritarian regimes in Poland and Hungary so has limited capacity and probably patience to deal with other troublemakers right now?Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:27 am... maybe a special session of the EU Parliament just before New Year, or maybe something else. But it’s not certain they’d work out...
The EU puts it foot down ...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13267899/ ... ned-years/In a bid to unlock deadlocked talks, Britain offered up a “review clause” on any fishing agreement after three to five years - but Brussels wants it in 10 to 15 years.
And crucially they are demanding the appraisal must be of the whole trade deal, not just fishing - opening the door to a decade more of negotiations.
The UK team are insisting fishing and wider trade agreement must be kept separate as talks go to the wire - but EU sources think they could climb down.
Brits fear reviewing the terms of the deal in the future would give Brussels long-term leverage over them if UK fishing waters are back up for grabs in 2030.
The EU could once more use access to their markets to put the squeeze on No 10 for a greater share of the spoils of Britain’s waters.
Last night fishing industry chiefs urged Boris Johnson to reject the idea out of hand.
Lots of brexiters have wrongly asserted that the EU always caves at he last minute. They'll probably still be waiting for that to happen on 1 January.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:06 pmIt sounds like the UK has fallen for some kind of "British exceptionalism" where they think the EU is bound to want to bend over backwards to get a deal on whatever terms the UK wants.
I did hope for a while that it might merely be political spin on a negotiating strategy, but that seems extremely unlikely now.
I was looking for an explanation of thisPeteB wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:21 pmI think this is fundamental misunderstanding. It doesn't matter if we have the same standards /protocols. The uk srops participating in the regulatory "ecosystem", with its provisions for joint market surveillance, supervision, enforcement and dispute settlement. This is what makes the single market work.
https://twitter.com/berndlange/status/1 ... 0074664961Chair of the EU Parliament trade committee wrote:It is already 5 past 12.We need a text. Otherwise ratification+democratic scrutiny by #EP will be a farce. The gambling of @BorisJohnson has brought us where we are now. We won't pay the price for that! #Brexit #EU #UK
I notice all the Brexiters in the replies are saying things like "What about the EU's gambling actually" and "Actually Boris Johnson is just respecting the sovereignty of the UK" and stuff. They clearly still think the EU is, and should, cave on stuff it's been clear is inviolable since before the referendum. Lol.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:19 pmhttps://twitter.com/berndlange/status/1 ... 0074664961Chair of the EU Parliament trade committee wrote:It is already 5 past 12.We need a text. Otherwise ratification+democratic scrutiny by #EP will be a farce. The gambling of @BorisJohnson has brought us where we are now. We won't pay the price for that! #Brexit #EU #UK
In response to a Barnier tweet informing us that talks continue.
It's fascinating how fishing is getting the headlines, but it's the governance and level playing field issues that are the ones that will have all the impacts.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:50 pmhttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13267899/ ... ned-years/In a bid to unlock deadlocked talks, Britain offered up a “review clause” on any fishing agreement after three to five years - but Brussels wants it in 10 to 15 years.
And crucially they are demanding the appraisal must be of the whole trade deal, not just fishing - opening the door to a decade more of negotiations.
The UK team are insisting fishing and wider trade agreement must be kept separate as talks go to the wire - but EU sources think they could climb down.
Brits fear reviewing the terms of the deal in the future would give Brussels long-term leverage over them if UK fishing waters are back up for grabs in 2030.
The EU could once more use access to their markets to put the squeeze on No 10 for a greater share of the spoils of Britain’s waters.
Last night fishing industry chiefs urged Boris Johnson to reject the idea out of hand.
AIUI, legally, the cases just end on 31 December, but I rather imagine they were an issue for discussion under the level-playing-field part of negotiations and will be an issue in any future talks about the UK-EU relationship.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:52 pmPresumably under legal convention the UK is subject to whatever law was in force at the time, and so ought to be legally subject to EU mechanisms for those cases for as long as the rumbling lasts. Getting anything enforced afterwards might be tricky though - what if the rUK just says "Nuts to your fine!"?
Lots of info here: https://hsfnotes.com/litigation/2020/01 ... -disputes/Sciolus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:58 pmAIUI, legally, the cases just end on 31 December, but I rather imagine they were an issue for discussion under the level-playing-field part of negotiations and will be an issue in any future talks about the UK-EU relationship.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:52 pmPresumably under legal convention the UK is subject to whatever law was in force at the time, and so ought to be legally subject to EU mechanisms for those cases for as long as the rumbling lasts. Getting anything enforced afterwards might be tricky though - what if the rUK just says "Nuts to your fine!"?
Is this a Vegetarian Complot??Woodchopper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:14 amLast-minute Brexit talks to prevent UK-Ireland meat product ban
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1123/11800 ... it-latest/