Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:12 am
I would have thought the January stats wouldn't be very safe - didn't a lot of traders hang back for the first couple of weeks to see how things planned out?
I would have thought the January stats wouldn't be very safe - didn't a lot of traders hang back for the first couple of weeks to see how things planned out?
Yes, I’m a bit skeptical. There’s also the effects of France closing the border and later Covid test requirements.Trinucleus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:12 amI would have thought the January stats wouldn't be very safe - didn't a lot of traders hang back for the first couple of weeks to see how things planned out?
For some reason we don't have the stats for February and March 2021 yet.Trinucleus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:12 amI would have thought the January stats wouldn't be very safe - didn't a lot of traders hang back for the first couple of weeks to see how things planned out?
Maybe not Toblerone, but that other name under the US Mondelēz brand, Cadbury, seems to be moving back to the UK from Bludenz in "Germany" according to the Daily Mail (Bludenz is in Austria).Little waster wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:28 pmAh but have they factored in the exponential rise in exports of innovative jams, pigs’ ears and Toblerone display cabinets to the Faroe Islands?
We will by the end of March. I don't think it helps to give the Government an 'ah yes but...' arguementshpalman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:42 amFor some reason we don't have the stats for February and March 2021 yet.Trinucleus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:12 amI would have thought the January stats wouldn't be very safe - didn't a lot of traders hang back for the first couple of weeks to see how things planned out?
At what point do a Government's actions against its people and businesses become unlawful?shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:47 pmIf you think it's bad now wait until the customs checks start.
Just so. We share their fate, and the fact that anyone with an ounce of sense voted against it is now lost to history. "The British people" voted to give their own feet both barrels.
This was all approved in Parliament was it not?headshot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:37 amAt what point do a Government's actions against its people and businesses become unlawful?shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:47 pmIf you think it's bad now wait until the customs checks start.
This is f.cking INSANE.
This is sort of a genuine question, is there anything in the deal that wasnt there at the time the legislation was passed, what is in it that parliament couldn't legislate for, has the government done anything that isn't within its powers under the act?discovolante wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:53 amThis was all approved in Parliament was it not?headshot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:37 amAt what point do a Government's actions against its people and businesses become unlawful?shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:47 pmIf you think it's bad now wait until the customs checks start.
This is f.cking INSANE.
Yes, it certainly is genuine and a serious question. I can’t answer it, I haven’t read the legislation. The problem here is neither had many of the MPs, they could argue there wasn’t time, but that is only because the Government wouldn’t countenance asking for a short extension, something I believe the EU would have agreed to, their MEPs were a bit miffed at having so little time to consider it.discovolante wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:10 amThis is sort of a genuine question, is there anything in the deal that wasnt there at the time the legislation was passed, what is in it that parliament couldn't legislate for, has the government done anything that isn't within its powers under the act?
Perfect actually, it was a pre-emptive strike to prevent a derail loldiscovolante wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:02 pmI've moved posts about Diana and The Royal Family to Nezumi's royal family thread, to try and maintain some consistency, hope that's OK Nezumi.
I thought as much and admire your valiant effortsnezumi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:11 pmPerfect actually, it was a pre-emptive strike to prevent a derail loldiscovolante wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:02 pmI've moved posts about Diana and The Royal Family to Nezumi's royal family thread, to try and maintain some consistency, hope that's OK Nezumi.
I haven't read it all properly either, so there may be errors in this post! The legislation itself isn't massively long (although it isn't exactly short), it is here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/29/contents it's the deal itself that's enormous.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:06 pmYes, it certainly is genuine and a serious question. I can’t answer it, I haven’t read the legislation. The problem here is neither had many of the MPs, they could argue there wasn’t time, but that is only because the Government wouldn’t countenance asking for a short extension, something I believe the EU would have agreed to, their MEPs were a bit miffed at having so little time to consider it.discovolante wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:10 amThis is sort of a genuine question, is there anything in the deal that wasnt there at the time the legislation was passed, what is in it that parliament couldn't legislate for, has the government done anything that isn't within its powers under the act?
The question is serious because it is the job of Parliament to hold the Government to account, dangerously the majority of the Government side were chosen as candidates at the last election for their loyalty to Boris, prospective candidates not loyal to Boris, like our previous MP Margo James, weren’t selected by their local Conservative Association. I find it very worrying.
Perhaps this isn’t the thread for the wider implications to be discussed.
Another part of the issue is the behaviour of breweries, who have realised in a lot of cases that their pubs would be worth more if they sold them off for redevelopment. There's a good venue in my hometown (currently on life support from the MVT) which is frequently sold out, but the brewery siphons off all their profits so they're constantly a bad week away from bankruptcy.Opti wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:43 pmThe UK live music/events industry is absolutely f.cked.
I know people who have the ear of government who have been banging onto to them about the complete destruction of the industry since 2016.
They're pretty pissed off that it has taken Elton John and Colin Greenwood to raise their voices to even make this a thing.
The Music Venue Trust has been pointing out that the UK events industry is doubly threatened by Covid and Brexit for quite a while.
Grassroots venues are falling every day. FFS, it a multi billion £ industry, in which Britain used to be leading.
There's a massive number of great musicians and support crew clicking their heels or having to do Tesco deliveries. Such a waste of talent ... and income for the UK.