Scrutable

Europe will be pleased. They've got an exciting environmental package to get on with without worrying about brexit.

Count Binface got 69 votes in Johnson's constituency.

You've gotta laugh.

Johnson's victory speech talked more about the NHS than brexit.

The "reflection" has to be brief. He's yesterday's man now. And once out, he should stay out. Hanging around as the left's conscience isn't going to help the successor. And after a thumping like this, the public need to see change at the top.

Although the "reflection" will probably mean gaining time to lock Momentum further into control of the party machinery.

Boris booed off stage while a bloke in an Elmo suit took a selfie.

SNP take Swinson's seat, lmao.

That amounts to bullet dodging for the LDs. They get to erase their mistake.

Only just, mind. I mean as the leader of a major party she should have had a big majority. But the commentary, for what it's worth (which may not be much) was that she failed as a constituency MP. My constituency MP minus 2 managed, imo, a pretty good balance of constituency and national issues. He wasn't a party leader, so it's perhaps a bit of an unfair comparison, but if she had neglected her constituency for the sake of power then tbh I think that is a fair criticism.

Piers Corbyn blames the media, allowing the conservatives to "steal working class votes with the Pied Piper of fake Brexit".

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:44 am

Boris booed off stage while a bloke in an Elmo suit took a selfie.

No they were shouting Boooo-ris.

God, Michael Gove is a slimy little sh.t.

He almost, almost redeemed himself as justice secretary after Chris Grayling but he undid it all again pretty quickly.

.Didn't stay up long once I saw how things were going. And defo didn't hit the bottle - I'd never have stopped. Just surfaced

So, people pissed on from Westminster in the post-industrial regions voted for the pissers. Seems like it's time to re-start the "I don't care anymore" thread from the other place.

Ian Lavery can, quite genuinely, go and shove a cactus up his pustulent wrinkly a..eh.le.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:15 am

Ian Lavery can, quite genuinely, go and shove a cactus up his pustulent wrinkly a..eh.le.

Yes, and the c.nt scraped through on a recount. One more loss wouldn't have made a difference.

This is the cultist script. Labour were too remainy. The leadership should have ignored their members even more.

GeenDienst wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:19 am

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:15 am

Ian Lavery can, quite genuinely, go and shove a cactus up his pustulent wrinkly a..eh.le.

Yes, and the c.nt scraped through on a recount. One more loss wouldn't have made a difference.

This is the cultist script. Labour were too remainy. The leadership should have ignored their members even more.

Yes, I'm seeing rather a lot of that this morning.

*Checks vodka bottle...Checks eau de vie bottle...The Bread Goddess is checking her spiced gin bottle...We are both checking the results...We have vodka and gin left and further supplies in the cupboard over ------->there...We know how to use them....*

Anyone know some good estate agents in Dumfries and Galloway?

f.ck me, my head hurt a bit this morning, for several reasons.

GeenDienst wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am

Then again, Corbyn can't but have noticed his dire personal ratings. Wonder if it ever occurred to him someone else might have been better placed...

Corbyn definitely has problems, but what worries me is that for every Corbyn problem there's a Johnson problem yet look what just happened, Ed Miliband didn't have these problems yet look what happened. Corbyn was a gift to the Tories this election but I worry that the leader wouldn't have mattered, whoever was in place would have been demonised and when people can be persuaded that talking to Gerry Adams thirty years ago is more pertinent than holding back a report into Russian electoral interference now and that tge best way to show your hatred of ten years of Tory Austerity is to vote Tory, or historically what your father didn't actually say and how you eat a bacon sandwich are vital issues, what is the way forward?

P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:35 pm

Corbyn definitely has problems, but what worries me is that for every Corbyn problem there's a Johnson problem yet look what just happened, Ed Miliband didn't have these problems yet look what happened. Corbyn was a gift to the Tories this election but I worry that the leader wouldn't have mattered, whoever was in place would have been demonised and when people can be persuaded that talking to Gerry Adams thirty years ago is more pertinent than holding back a report into Russian electoral interference now and that tge best way to show your hatred of ten years of Tory Austerity is to vote Tory, or historically what your father didn't actually say and how you eat a bacon sandwich are vital issues, what is the way forward?

This.
Needs fixing.

Are you all still partying in here?

P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:35 pm

GeenDienst wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am

Then again, Corbyn can't but have noticed his dire personal ratings. Wonder if it ever occurred to him someone else might have been better placed...

Corbyn definitely has problems, but what worries me is that for every Corbyn problem there's a Johnson problem yet look what just happened, Ed Miliband didn't have these problems yet look what happened. Corbyn was a gift to the Tories this election but I worry that the leader wouldn't have mattered, whoever was in place would have been demonised and when people can be persuaded that talking to Gerry Adams thirty years ago is more pertinent than holding back a report into Russian electoral interference now and that tge best way to show your hatred of ten years of Tory Austerity is to vote Tory, or historically what your father didn't actually say and how you eat a bacon sandwich are vital issues, what is the way forward?

When much of the election is being fought on personality, it's a bad start when you can't put pictures or the name of your leader on any of your promo material because he's that unpopular...

sideshowjim wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:06 pm

P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:35 pm

GeenDienst wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am

Then again, Corbyn can't but have noticed his dire personal ratings. Wonder if it ever occurred to him someone else might have been better placed...

Corbyn definitely has problems, but what worries me is that for every Corbyn problem there's a Johnson problem yet look what just happened, Ed Miliband didn't have these problems yet look what happened. Corbyn was a gift to the Tories this election but I worry that the leader wouldn't have mattered, whoever was in place would have been demonised and when people can be persuaded that talking to Gerry Adams thirty years ago is more pertinent than holding back a report into Russian electoral interference now and that tge best way to show your hatred of ten years of Tory Austerity is to vote Tory, or historically what your father didn't actually say and how you eat a bacon sandwich are vital issues, what is the way forward?

When much of the election is being fought on personality, it's a bad start when you can't put pictures or the name of your leader on any of your promo material because he's that unpopular...

It wasn't really on personality either. Johnson is a bumbling oaf who strops out when he's thwarted and hides from journalists who might challenge him. It was was fought on media created charicatures.

ETA: And even if it was fought on personalities, that is a bug not a feature.

I showed a poll not long after Johnson took over. Dumping Corbyn turned a substantial poll deficit into a substantial poll lead.

Corbyn was more toxic to voters than any other Labour leader has been. That's what's coming back from MPs (and ex-MPs) as well.

Eh, we don't think it should be based on personality (real or fabricated). But in such a shouty, contradictory campaign where there's an awful lot of contradictory information and outright fibs, those who haven't already made their minds up will base much of their decision on facets that they can judge, that are visible and that are available.

How many people read a manifesto? Who aren't looking for talking points with which to repudiate people who disagree with their already-made decision, I mean?

Nope, Personality and events come through the noise in this. And stupid b.llsh.t stunts and bouncy quick repeated phrases work better than an entirely absent* from news and publicity material leader and some stance on the biggest issue present at the day that I've heard about 15 times from angry a..eholes on twitter** and yet still
A- Could not explain what it is,
B- Does definitely include some of the same magic unicorn b.llsh.t that had so many on the remain side smacking their heads against things,
and C- Promises to draw out this whole ridiculous project even longer with no actual goal, decision or purpose, much to the delight of all those people who (whatever side they were on originally) now just want that stupid portmanteau to Go Away so We Don't Have To Hear About It Any More.



*I mean, absent except from managed events where diminishing numbers of people all stand around and tell him he's marvelous

** A seperate issue, but bugger me I cannot see how it helped

P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:35 pm

GeenDienst wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am

Then again, Corbyn can't but have noticed his dire personal ratings. Wonder if it ever occurred to him someone else might have been better placed...

Corbyn definitely has problems, but what worries me is that for every Corbyn problem there's a Johnson problem yet look what just happened, Ed Miliband didn't have these problems yet look what happened. Corbyn was a gift to the Tories this election but I worry that the leader wouldn't have mattered, whoever was in place would have been demonised and when people can be persuaded that talking to Gerry Adams thirty years ago is more pertinent than holding back a report into Russian electoral interference now and that tge best way to show your hatred of ten years of Tory Austerity is to vote Tory, or historically what your father didn't actually say and how you eat a bacon sandwich are vital issues, what is the way forward?

While to an extent this is true, we won't get anywhere if people keep pretending that Corbyn's problems were the press got excited because he talked to Gerry Adams thirty years ago.

He picked a stalinist who praised the Taliban and IS as his communications director. He did propaganda work for the fascist Iranian regime. He tried to deny genocide in the Balkans so he had an excuse to oppose Britain's life-saving intervention in Kosovo.

Labour candidates were being selected after posting holocaust denial articles off American Neo-Nazi websites.