Scrutable

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 pm

lpm wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:03 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:26 pm

I did mention this was going to be a shitshow, right? Guiliani wants to get involved in his first federal court case in nearly three decades.

Twitter is saying nice Mr Giuliani lied to the court in his submssion. He claims he is a member of the bar in Washington DC. But he has been suspended from the bar for not paying his subs.

I would be quite frankly surprised if the above were not true. Shame, I was hoping we'd get some blatant perjury.

It's ok, he's doing it live and in person right now.

Adam Klasfeld is live tweeting it. Great thread to follow.

https://twitter.com/klasfeldreports/sta ... 87744?s=21

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:39 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:09 pm

Heh, I like how Pennsylvania court orders start 'AND NOW'.

It's like a Daily Express headline

sTeamTraen wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:16 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:09 pm

Heh, I like how Pennsylvania court orders start 'AND NOW'.

In some states they start with "Now comes the plaintiff".

See with this, the AND NOW makes me think of deep dramatic voice cinema trailer, and 'Now comes the plaintiff' makes me think of a Western for some reason.

what i'm sure i posted this hours ago. Did I?

World's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pm

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.

Ooh ooh! I can help with this! Yes it's bad.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pm

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.

Sounds like a variant of the Chewbacca defense. Unfortunately for Rudy, judges are probably more sensible than juries.

Meanwhile at the Pennsylvania state supreme court, the Tump campaign have lost their case re: observers.

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:38 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pm

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.

Ooh ooh! I can help with this! Yes it's bad.

How is it when the big name TV talk-show "lawyer" parachuted in to plead at the last minute tries to hand 300 photos to the judge that weren't in the case file?

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:57 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:38 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pm

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.

Ooh ooh! I can help with this! Yes it's bad.

How is it when the big name TV talk-show "lawyer" parachuted in to plead at the last minute tries to hand 300 photos to the judge that weren't in the case file?

Is that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pm

World's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow

That’s $20,000 well spent. The best people, Donald. The best.

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:06 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:57 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:38 pm

Ooh ooh! I can help with this! Yes it's bad.

How is it when the big name TV talk-show "lawyer" parachuted in to plead at the last minute tries to hand 300 photos to the judge that weren't in the case file?

Is that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.

Certainly something I saw referenced, although I can't find the live-tweet of it now.

Also, is it bad when the state Supreme Court rules that one of your complaints is about something that's perfectly legal under state law while you are pleading for the Federal Court to intervene, and the defendants cite it as precedent during their rebuttal?

Oh, and that one of the arguments for your case being dismissed is the legal principle of abstention - that the Federal Courts shouldn't rule while the case is outstanding before state courts.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pm

World's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow

The thing about this post is that it could be recycled for so many situations over the last ten years and almost certainly useful for the future as you helpfully didn't specify what he was involved in *this time*

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:20 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pm

World's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow

The thing about this post is that it could be recycled for so many situations over the last ten years and almost certainly useful for the future as you helpfully didn't specify what he was involved in *this time*

Reduce, reuse, recycle.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:16 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:06 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:57 pm

How is it when the big name TV talk-show "lawyer" parachuted in to plead at the last minute tries to hand 300 photos to the judge that weren't in the case file?

Is that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.

Certainly something I saw referenced, although I can't find the live-tweet of it now.

Ah, here we are: https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/stat ... 12481?s=20

It's worth following the thread for the comedy of this. And to see if Rudy gets disbarred for it.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:35 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:16 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:06 pm

Is that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.

Certainly something I saw referenced, although I can't find the live-tweet of it now.

Ah, here we are: https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/stat ... 12481?s=20

It's worth following the thread for the comedy of this. And to see if Rudy gets disbarred for it.

FFS! That sounded like a courtroom drama film written by those two writers from those Mitchell & Webb sketches, who are too lazy to do any research.

It's still going. Rudy is trying to answer a legal question about precedent from the judge by having someone* talk in court as a witness about a case where he (the someone) was a plaintiff.

* Another lawyer on the case.

At what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?


*I think the term was coined by Greg Doucette to describe the inept legal efforts of former Funimation/Rooster Teeth voice actor and exposed predator Vic Mignona

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:10 pm

At what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?


*I think the term was coined by Greg Doucette to describe the inept legal efforts of former Funimation/Rooster Teeth voice actor and exposed predator Vic Mignona

Probably for most people ylthe moment they realised that Rudy Giuliani was the best that Trump had

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:10 pm

At what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?


*I think the term was coined by Greg Doucette to describe the inept legal efforts of former Funimation/Rooster Teeth voice actor and exposed predator Vic Mignona

At the point Giuliani stood up?

Meanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit, Michigan) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.

If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.

And without Detroit area votes, Trump likely wins Michigan.

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:23 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:10 pm

At what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?


*I think the term was coined by Greg Doucette to describe the inept legal efforts of former Funimation/Rooster Teeth voice actor and exposed predator Vic Mignona

Probably for most people ylthe moment they realised that Rudy Giuliani was the best that Trump had

And if that didn't do it, Giuliani not understand the concept of review standards is a pretty good moment.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Meanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.

If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.

FFS this is ridiculous. At what point can they be taken to court to order certification?

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:41 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Meanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.

If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.

FFS this is ridiculous. At what point can they be taken to court to order certification?

The state's deadline for certification is Dec 13th. The Federal safe harbor date by which electors need to be certified is Dec 8th.

So there's a play being made here to not certify Michigan's results, and ignore the election results there to appoint Trump electors.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:57 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:41 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Meanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.

If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.

FFS this is ridiculous. At what point can they be taken to court to order certification?

The state's deadline for certification is Dec 13th. The Federal safe harbor date by which electors need to be certified is Dec 8th.

So there's a play being made here to not certify Michigan's results, and ignore the election results there to appoint Trump electors.

It's a ploy that's been rejected by GOP majority leaders in a number of states, though, including Michigan. It also raises a hell of a lot of questions. For starters, appointing new electors would almost certainly need legislation to alter the electoral code of Michigan, and I can't see that getting past the veto of Gov. Whitmer.