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Blyatskrieg
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Re: Blyatskrieg
I’m not currently worried by a nuclear war, more a deliberately induced repeat of Chernobyl.
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Indeed. No point in a city dweller taking Iodine in a nuclear war between Russia and the UK. But in the event of a nuclear power station catastrophe iodine would be a good way to reduce your risk of getting cancer.
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For someone living in nearby Ukraine maybe. But even if there were problems at the plant, it's not going to go bang and spread radioactive material across Europe like Chernobyl did.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:26 pmIndeed. No point in a city dweller taking Iodine in a nuclear war between Russia and the UK. But in the event of a nuclear power station catastrophe iodine would be a good way to reduce your risk of getting cancer.
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This is ridiculous. It is 2,500 km away.
There's more risk from Sizewell or a French plant.
There's more risk from Sizewell or a French plant.
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Re: Blyatskrieg
Depends on what the Russians do and the wind direction. I bought mine early on in the piece before the reactors were shut down and were being dickheads.
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Re: Blyatskrieg
Neither of those are a) occupied by the Russian military, who have installed military equipment in the vicinity of the reactors, b) dependent on a cooling pond that is vulnerable to damage and no longer able to be refilled due to the destruction of the primary reservoir, c) dependant on external energy sources to maintain cooling of the shutdown reactors, the cabling providing which has been repeatedly damaged over the period of the occupation, or d) subject the nuclear brinkmanship.
The Russians have shown a willingness to destroy what they cannot possess. BJN notes the possibility of a deliberately induced Chernobyl type scenario. That's a possibility - perhaps not the likeliest, but precautions against it cost little. There's also the genuine risk of a Chernobyl type scenario induced by recklessness and brinkmanship on the behalf of the Russian occupiers, who have repeatedly demonstrated a flagrant disregard for nuclear safety during their occupation of Enerhodar.
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... which has nothing to do with taking iodine pills.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:44 pmSimilar to Chernobyl, which affected parts of the UK. Agriculture restrictions continued until 2012.
Come on, when has this forum exaggerated the risks from SCARY RADIOACTIVITY?
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Re: Blyatskrieg
On the contrary, precautions would cost Europe billions. Probably cost more than the pathetic amount of military aid given to Ukraine.
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Re: Blyatskrieg
Well, some of these Leopard 2 tanks were actually combine harvesters.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:28 pmA Russian source posted a photo to indicate that they were under attack from Leopard 2s. Problem is it was actually an AMX-10RC. There also isn't any context for the picture, other than that it is an AMX-10RC. It's going to be like Panzer-IVs and Tigers all over again, isn't it.
ETA: It's hard to know exactly what's going on, but it does look like we have reached the probing attacks phase of the offensive - this isn't going to be the main effort, unless a weakness is found that can be exploited. It's also important to remember that a) Ukrainian OPSEC is good enough most of the sources we have are Russian and b) Russian sources just f.cking lie all the f.cking time and not always in predictable or logical directions. They invent attacks that they then later repulse, and so on.
Also note that this stage will likely see some Ukrainian probing attacks/reconnaissance in force missions go wrong. There will be losses, sadly, but it is also important to keep the scope of it in perspective. If you see an abandoned vehicle or two, it doesn't mean the offensive has failed. We saw a lot of doom-mongering about the Kherson counteroffensive from irresponsible journalists based on extremely fragmented evidence, yet ultimately the Ukrainian forces advanced through a significant part of Kherson oblast and in conjunction with operations against the bridges, forced the Russians to retreat across the Dnipro.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/leopard-t ... y-tractors
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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I remember the one time they actually hit something Nazi related - when they announced the destruction of a boat full of Ukrainian saboteurs but it was actually a cormorant-covered concrete pier from when the Nazis tried to build a Dnipro bridge during the war.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:37 pmWell, some of these Leopard 2 tanks were actually combine harvesters.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:28 pmA Russian source posted a photo to indicate that they were under attack from Leopard 2s. Problem is it was actually an AMX-10RC. There also isn't any context for the picture, other than that it is an AMX-10RC. It's going to be like Panzer-IVs and Tigers all over again, isn't it.
ETA: It's hard to know exactly what's going on, but it does look like we have reached the probing attacks phase of the offensive - this isn't going to be the main effort, unless a weakness is found that can be exploited. It's also important to remember that a) Ukrainian OPSEC is good enough most of the sources we have are Russian and b) Russian sources just f.cking lie all the f.cking time and not always in predictable or logical directions. They invent attacks that they then later repulse, and so on.
Also note that this stage will likely see some Ukrainian probing attacks/reconnaissance in force missions go wrong. There will be losses, sadly, but it is also important to keep the scope of it in perspective. If you see an abandoned vehicle or two, it doesn't mean the offensive has failed. We saw a lot of doom-mongering about the Kherson counteroffensive from irresponsible journalists based on extremely fragmented evidence, yet ultimately the Ukrainian forces advanced through a significant part of Kherson oblast and in conjunction with operations against the bridges, forced the Russians to retreat across the Dnipro.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/leopard-t ... y-tractors
I hope those combines were empty when hit. Ukrainian farmers have suffered far too much already.
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Indeed, but it's also quite likely that they would be deliberately targeting them if they knew they were tractors with civilians.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:41 pmI remember the one time they actually hit something Nazi related - when they announced the destruction of a boat full of Ukrainian saboteurs but it was actually a cormorant-covered concrete pier from when the Nazis tried to build a Dnipro bridge during the war.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:37 pmWell, some of these Leopard 2 tanks were actually combine harvesters.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:28 pmA Russian source posted a photo to indicate that they were under attack from Leopard 2s. Problem is it was actually an AMX-10RC. There also isn't any context for the picture, other than that it is an AMX-10RC. It's going to be like Panzer-IVs and Tigers all over again, isn't it.
ETA: It's hard to know exactly what's going on, but it does look like we have reached the probing attacks phase of the offensive - this isn't going to be the main effort, unless a weakness is found that can be exploited. It's also important to remember that a) Ukrainian OPSEC is good enough most of the sources we have are Russian and b) Russian sources just f.cking lie all the f.cking time and not always in predictable or logical directions. They invent attacks that they then later repulse, and so on.
Also note that this stage will likely see some Ukrainian probing attacks/reconnaissance in force missions go wrong. There will be losses, sadly, but it is also important to keep the scope of it in perspective. If you see an abandoned vehicle or two, it doesn't mean the offensive has failed. We saw a lot of doom-mongering about the Kherson counteroffensive from irresponsible journalists based on extremely fragmented evidence, yet ultimately the Ukrainian forces advanced through a significant part of Kherson oblast and in conjunction with operations against the bridges, forced the Russians to retreat across the Dnipro.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/leopard-t ... y-tractors
I hope those combines were empty when hit. Ukrainian farmers have suffered far too much already.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Yes. They quite deliberately targetted food infrastructure in Syria, and creating food shortages and chaos they can exploit, as well as damaging the agrarian economy of Ukraine, may have been among the motives for destroying the Kakhovsky Dam. Hundreds were killed in Syria in strikes against bakeries and breadlines alone.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:03 pmIndeed, but it's also quite likely that they would be deliberately targeting them if they knew they were tractors with civilians.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:41 pmI remember the one time they actually hit something Nazi related - when they announced the destruction of a boat full of Ukrainian saboteurs but it was actually a cormorant-covered concrete pier from when the Nazis tried to build a Dnipro bridge during the war.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:37 pm
Well, some of these Leopard 2 tanks were actually combine harvesters.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/leopard-t ... y-tractors
I hope those combines were empty when hit. Ukrainian farmers have suffered far too much already.
Given the continued threat Russia poses to the global food supply, we should ensure that the entirety of their Black Sea Fleet, down to the smallest dinghy, is sunk as soon as possible.
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Looks like Russia is struggling in Belgorod with mutinies
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/ ... 02339?s=20
Thread here
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/ ... 02339?s=20
Thread here
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Makes you wonder if that shouldn't be the tactic... for Ukraine to invade Russia, go for Belgorod and force Russia to pull units from Ukraine to defend it's territory... thus making it easier for Ukraine to take back its land. Or give it something to negotiate handing back if that time comes.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:32 pmLooks like Russia is struggling in Belgorod with mutinies
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/ ... 02339?s=20
Thread here
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Yes it makes a lot of sense from a lot of angles. It is something that the Kremlin can't ignore. They need significant materiel to protect against such incursions, and as the second raid was far larger than the first, it's a message that the next one might be even bigger. It is damaging some important Russian industry and completely negated any propaganda value of capturing Bakhmut. It's a great distraction, and if they don't do anything about it, I guess a lot of the Russian defensive lines might be bypassable by going through Russia.TopBadger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:47 pmMakes you wonder if that shouldn't be the tactic... for Ukraine to invade Russia, go for Belgorod and force Russia to pull units from Ukraine to defend it's territory... thus making it easier for Ukraine to take back its land. Or give it something to negotiate handing back if that time comes.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:32 pmLooks like Russia is struggling in Belgorod with mutinies
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/ ... 02339?s=20
Thread here
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/re ... 605-p5de0hAustralia, the US and Ukraine are discussing sending 41 Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18 Hornets to Kyiv helping fulfil part of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s request for fighter jets, rather than sending them to the scrapheap as planned.
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The retired F/A-18s are sitting in a hangar at the Williamtown RAAF base outside Newcastle and unless sent to Ukraine, will either be scrapped or sold to a private sector aviation company, RAVN Aerospace, to use in the US as “enemies” for military aviators to train against
Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalised.
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Needless to say the F/A-18 is a good jet and would be a fine addition to Ukraine's arsenal. That's enough for two squadrons even if some are stripped for parts to keep the others flying. They are probably a better option than early-model F-16s, too, not least because their design heritage as carrier capable aircraft means they have strongly built landing gear that can also cope with rough runways, something Australia liked about the design when choosing it. Additionally, Ukrainian fighter pilots are all going to be used to operating twin engine aircraft already.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:43 amhttps://www.afr.com/politics/federal/re ... 605-p5de0hAustralia, the US and Ukraine are discussing sending 41 Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18 Hornets to Kyiv helping fulfil part of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s request for fighter jets, rather than sending them to the scrapheap as planned.
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The retired F/A-18s are sitting in a hangar at the Williamtown RAAF base outside Newcastle and unless sent to Ukraine, will either be scrapped or sold to a private sector aviation company, RAVN Aerospace, to use in the US as “enemies” for military aviators to train against
Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalised.
Australian Hornets were also pretty heavily upgraded and can operate AMRAAMs for long range air-to-air combat and the very capable ASRAAM for short range air to air combat. For ground attack they can operate Paveways and, more likely useful in the Ukrainian context, JDAMs and JDAM-ERs. They can also operate Harpoons, which gives options for threatening Russian war ships even when they stay away from the Ukrainian coast, and JASSM air-launched low-observable cruise missiles - very roughly the American equivalent of Storm Shadow. These would be ideal for many strikes and would allow a substantial increase in that sort of strike, as America has a lot of early JASSMs that are due to be replaced by more advanced variants which are being produced at a significant rate, just so long as America can be persuaded to part with long range missiles...
And so long as Australia can be persuaded to part with some aircraft that would otherwise be scrap. Given the AUKUS deal, hopefully the UK and USA can lean on them and perhaps raise some funds to help cover some of the costs involved or downright purchase them.
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I agree, assuming the report is correct the only problems may be the costs of refurbishing them and who would have to pay for that.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:49 pmNeedless to say the F/A-18 is a good jet and would be a fine addition to Ukraine's arsenal. That's enough for two squadrons even if some are stripped for parts to keep the others flying. They are probably a better option than early-model F-16s, too, not least because their design heritage as carrier capable aircraft means they have strongly built landing gear that can also cope with rough runways, something Australia liked about the design when choosing it. Additionally, Ukrainian fighter pilots are all going to be used to operating twin engine aircraft already.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:43 amhttps://www.afr.com/politics/federal/re ... 605-p5de0hAustralia, the US and Ukraine are discussing sending 41 Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18 Hornets to Kyiv helping fulfil part of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s request for fighter jets, rather than sending them to the scrapheap as planned.
[...]
The retired F/A-18s are sitting in a hangar at the Williamtown RAAF base outside Newcastle and unless sent to Ukraine, will either be scrapped or sold to a private sector aviation company, RAVN Aerospace, to use in the US as “enemies” for military aviators to train against
Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalised.
Australian Hornets were also pretty heavily upgraded and can operate AMRAAMs for long range air-to-air combat and the very capable ASRAAM for short range air to air combat. For ground attack they can operate Paveways and, more likely useful in the Ukrainian context, JDAMs and JDAM-ERs. They can also operate Harpoons, which gives options for threatening Russian war ships even when they stay away from the Ukrainian coast, and JASSM air-launched low-observable cruise missiles - very roughly the American equivalent of Storm Shadow. These would be ideal for many strikes and would allow a substantial increase in that sort of strike, as America has a lot of early JASSMs that are due to be replaced by more advanced variants which are being produced at a significant rate, just so long as America can be persuaded to part with long range missiles...
And so long as Australia can be persuaded to part with some aircraft that would otherwise be scrap. Given the AUKUS deal, hopefully the UK and USA can lean on them and perhaps raise some funds to help cover some of the costs involved or downright purchase them.
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Re: Blyatskrieg
Its salami slicing. First the destruction of a major dam. Next will be the destruction of the Zaporizha nuke plant.
Then a tactical nuclear weapon, to make parts of Ukraine uninhabitable for generations.
After that is just another small escalation to the big one.
Iodine might be useful for the first two scenarios, after that you want to be on a different continent. Or planet.
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f.ck off tankie.Herainestold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:29 amIts salami slicing. First the destruction of a major dam. Next will be the destruction of the Zaporizha nuke plant.
Then a tactical nuclear weapon, to make parts of Ukraine uninhabitable for generations.
After that is just another small escalation to the big one.
Iodine might be useful for the first two scenarios, after that you want to be on a different continent. Or planet.
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Re: Blyatskrieg
So far still in the realm of probing attacks - basically pushing on doors and trying doorhandles to see if anything's unlocked - and preliminary fires, but it's pretty safe to say the Ukrainian summer offensive is underway.