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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:43 pm
by Little waster
Edit, quote ... what’s the difference really?
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:15 pm
by jimbob
Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:42 pm
Meanwhile she’s now managing to make JRM look like the sensible voice of moderation.
Now that isn’t a sentence anybody should EVER have to type.
The particular hill she’s chosen to die on here ... the idea that suggesting people might want to consider dusting their fridges to save energy and money and possibly stave off rolling blackouts is basically Communism, isn’t it.
Is her seemingly deliberate "unpopularism" cargo-cult Thatcherism. Thatcher did lots that was unpopular but won a couple of landslide elections and was a woman, so Truss is trying to emulate that - without realising the difference in the situation, that Thatcher had some coherence, and her luck in winning the Falklands, whilst fighting a Labour party that was keen on unpopular positions
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:22 pm
by bjn
Don’t forget the huge boost to the economy and government revenues of North Sea oil as well as selling of the family silver to spend on tax cuts. Truss hasn’t got either of those to fall back on.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:46 pm
by Little waster
jimbob wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:15 pm
Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:42 pm
Meanwhile she’s now managing to make JRM look like the sensible voice of moderation.
Now that isn’t a sentence anybody should EVER have to type.
The particular hill she’s chosen to die on here ... the idea that suggesting people might want to consider dusting their fridges to save energy and money and possibly stave off rolling blackouts is basically Communism, isn’t it.
Is her seemingly deliberate "unpopularism" cargo-cult Thatcherism. Thatcher did lots that was unpopular but won a couple of landslide elections and was a woman, so Truss is trying to emulate that - without realising the difference in the situation, that Thatcher had some coherence, and her luck in winning the Falklands, whilst fighting a Labour party that was keen on unpopular positions
At some point we are going to have to face up to the serious consideration that, as Cummings claims, she is genuinely mentally unhinged.
And not in the sense of a cheap partisan poke at her supposed irrationality but in the sense of someone deeply in need of actual psychiatric intervention.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:39 am
by Stephanie
or, we could not?
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:00 am
by EACLucifer
Stephanie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:39 am
or, we could not?
Agreed.
You won't affect Truss with this angle.
You will affect a whole bunch of people who are unwell, but have done nothing wrong.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:00 pm
by plodder
lol wow f.cking hell #2
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... er-endgame
She's f.cked, she's completely lost Conservative Home
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:21 pm
by lpm
There's an early episode of Yes Minister where Sir Arnold tricks Jim Hacker into becoming "Transport Supremo".
When Sir Humphrey makes Hacker realise how terrible this politically, they try to get out of it.
They do it by leaking various unpalatable policies to the press. A park to be destroyed by a new bus station, job losses in the PM's constituency, hikes in rail fares.
This is exactly what's happening now. Kwarteng is demanding every cabinet minister takes an axe to their own budget. So all the cabinet members are going to leak unpalatable stuff. Like no free transport for service vets on Remembrance Day. Cuts to one of Truss's pet projects. Ending free school breakfasts. All they have to do is to wait for the outcry, force Truss to react, then tell Kwarteng they tried but their money saving idea was blocked at the top.
Because Truss is politically dead, everyone else needs to stay politically alive by playing the game. Normally Number 10 steals the good news, ministers are left justifying the unpopular choices. But with Truss powerless they just dump all the sh.t on her.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:26 pm
by Trinucleus
It's OK, she's apparently going on a charm offensive
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:40 pm
by plodder
lpm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:21 pm
There's an early episode of Yes Minister where Sir Arnold tricks Jim Hacker into becoming "Transport Supremo".
When Sir Humphrey makes Hacker realise how terrible this politically, they try to get out of it.
They do it by leaking various unpalatable policies to the press. A park to be destroyed by a new bus station, job losses in the PM's constituency, hikes in rail fares.
This is exactly what's happening now. Kwarteng is demanding every cabinet minister takes an axe to their own budget. So all the cabinet members are going to leak unpalatable stuff. Like no free transport for service vets on Remembrance Day. Cuts to one of Truss's pet projects. Ending free school breakfasts. All they have to do is to wait for the outcry, force Truss to react, then tell Kwarteng they tried but their money saving idea was blocked at the top.
Because Truss is politically dead, everyone else needs to stay politically alive by playing the game. Normally Number 10 steals the good news, ministers are left justifying the unpopular choices. But with Truss powerless they just dump all the sh.t on her.
Yes Minister is basically Jeeves and Wooster in Parliament. In the current example there is no Jeeves…
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:44 pm
by Grumble
Trinucleus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:26 pm
It's OK, she's apparently going on a charm offensive
I actually laughed.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:50 pm
by jimbob
Trinucleus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:26 pm
It's OK, she's apparently going on a charm offensive
I saw that headline in The Times in the Co-op this morning and thought the headline writer was having fun
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:31 am
by Martin_B
plodder wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:40 pm
lpm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:21 pm
There's an early episode of Yes Minister where Sir Arnold tricks Jim Hacker into becoming "Transport Supremo".
When Sir Humphrey makes Hacker realise how terrible this politically, they try to get out of it.
They do it by leaking various unpalatable policies to the press. A park to be destroyed by a new bus station, job losses in the PM's constituency, hikes in rail fares.
This is exactly what's happening now. Kwarteng is demanding every cabinet minister takes an axe to their own budget. So all the cabinet members are going to leak unpalatable stuff. Like no free transport for service vets on Remembrance Day. Cuts to one of Truss's pet projects. Ending free school breakfasts. All they have to do is to wait for the outcry, force Truss to react, then tell Kwarteng they tried but their money saving idea was blocked at the top.
Because Truss is politically dead, everyone else needs to stay politically alive by playing the game. Normally Number 10 steals the good news, ministers are left justifying the unpopular choices. But with Truss powerless they just dump all the sh.t on her.
Yes Minister is basically Jeeves and Wooster in Parliament. In the current example there is no Jeeves…
There is a story (not sure how true) that Thatcher sent her Chief Whip along to the writers of Yes Minister to find out who the mole in her cabinet was who was leaking storylines. Not exactly the main story plots, but enough asides and one-liners were close enough to raise eyebrows. Jonathon Lynn is supposed to have told him that they just read the papers.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:31 am
by jdc
Martin_B wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:31 am
There is a story (not sure how true) that Thatcher sent her Chief Whip along to the writers of Yes Minister to find out who the mole in her cabinet was who was leaking storylines. Not exactly the main story plots, but enough asides and one-liners were close enough to raise eyebrows. Jonathon Lynn is supposed to have told him that they just read the papers.
I haven't found that story yet, but it turns out that Bernard Ingham did write a Yes Minister sketch for Mrs T to appear in alongside the regulars... and I also found this:
Thatcher herself was using her political power to obtain master tapes of “Yes, Prime Minister” from the BBC to watch soon after it premiered. “The first time her office rang, the producer said she couldn’t have it because the tapes were on loan to someone else,” Lynn recalled. “They demanded to know who. It was the queen.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/10/opin ... index.html
&
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/t ... story.html
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:50 am
by Martin_B
jdc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:31 am
I haven't found that story yet, but it turns out that Bernard Ingham did write a Yes Minister sketch for Mrs T to appear in alongside the regulars...
Yes, apparently both Paul Eddington and Nigel Hawthorne tried to get out of doing it.
Lynn has also said that he had contacts from previous Labour governments for some of the inside information.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:54 am
by basementer
I think that master video tapes at that time must have been either open reel or U-matic. Martin Y might be able to offer a more informed opinion?
My point is, I really doubt that either the Queen or Thatcher would have had that sort of professional level kit in the living room. I'm calling bollocks on that particular story.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:19 am
by TopBadger
Can't fault the analysis either... seems she's forgotten Lyndon B. Johnson's first rule of politics.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:29 am
by jimbob
TopBadger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:19 am
Can't fault the analysis either... seems she's forgotten Lyndon B. Johnson's first rule of politics.
When all you have is a spade every problem looks like a lack of holes.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:44 am
by TopBadger
From BBC News wrote:Bank of England has been forced to unveil more measures aimed at calming markets - warning of a "material risk to UK financial stability".
So that's good news again isn't it...
Think the Tories need to accelerate their plans for getting rid of the sixth formers they've installed in numbers 10 and 11.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:14 am
by plodder
TopBadger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:44 am
From BBC News wrote:Bank of England has been forced to unveil more measures aimed at calming markets - warning of a "material risk to UK financial stability".
So that's good news again isn't it...
Think the Tories need to accelerate their plans for getting rid of the sixth formers they've installed in numbers 10 and 11.
I mean they could just call it "spending billions of our money to buy stuff that experts currently think is overpriced in order to stop them becoming worthless" where "stuff" means "our pensions".
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:32 am
by philbo
Grumble wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:44 pm
Trinucleus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:26 pm
It's OK, she's apparently going on a charm offensive
I actually laughed.
ISTM she's got the "offensive" bit damn near perfect, just needs to work on the charm
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:11 pm
by noggins
EACLucifer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:00 am
Stephanie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:39 am
or, we could not?
Agreed.
You won't affect Truss with this angle.
You will affect a whole bunch of people who are unwell, but have done nothing wrong.
Is pseudo-freudian pschyoanalysis of her defective personality ok?
Am thinking which exhibit from "On the Psychology of Military Incompetence" she most resembles.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:06 am
by plodder
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:58 am
by philbo
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:06 am
She’s losing (lost?) The Sun.
That's just night time. It comes up again in the morning.
Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:17 am
by plodder
philbo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:58 am
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:06 am
She’s losing (lost?) The Sun.
That's just night time. It comes up again in the morning.
And the Economist. I mean, they're just ripping the sh.t out of her.
https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/ ... 5237787648