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Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:59 am
by FlammableFlower
Yeah, 'cos the Brexit party would have got a deal with no transition period...
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:37 am
by GeenDienst
Meanwhile, Barnier's elf-in-chief is warning that those checks on animals moving across the Irish sea are a legal obligation, while our PM is assuring the DUP that they won't happen.
And elsewhere in that live blog, it seems the point of a US trade deal is to have somewhere to send all those cars. Except that it appears we have to roll over for the US tech giants' tax avoidance plans, or there will be tariffs on them.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:12 pm
by Martin Y
He should get a giant banner saying "Mission Accomplished" for a photo op on one of our aircraft carriers. That could be the defining image of how he got Brexit done.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm
by TopBadger
Martin Y wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:12 pm
He should get a giant banner saying "Mission Accomplished" for a photo op on one of our aircraft carriers. That could be the defining image of how he got Brexit done.
I guess it can't hurt to make some use of the carrier before the planes arrive...
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:35 pm
by GeenDienst
Bill got royal assent now, and it's law. Doesn't change anything, I know, but it's still sh.t.
IIRC, this also means crashing out at the end of 2020 is also the default in law. Says
here it has a clause:
...prohibiting any UK Minister from agreeing to an extension of the transition or implementation period in the Joint Committee (new clause 33)
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:19 pm
by Trinucleus
GeenDienst wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:35 pm
Bill got royal assent now, and it's law. Doesn't change anything, I know, but it's still sh.t.
IIRC, this also means crashing out at the end of 2020 is also the default in law. Says
here it has a clause:
...prohibiting any UK Minister from agreeing to an extension of the transition or implementation period in the Joint Committee (new clause 33)
I'll agree it
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:44 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Does that not fall foul of "parliament cannot bind itself?"
Would be an interesting constitutional issue, on an alternative timeline where it could actually arise.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:55 pm
by Woodchopper
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:44 pm
Does that not fall foul of "parliament cannot bind itself?"
Would be an interesting constitutional issue, on an alternative timeline where it could actually arise.
Nope, because Parliament could change the law again.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:03 am
by GeenDienst
I think it's about the executive being bound, rather than parliament, and repealing it it makes it a bigger deal through being a bigger climb down, and thus increases the risk of the crashout.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:22 am
by Gfamily
Nearly done.
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Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:53 am
by GeenDienst
So where will you be 23:00 on Jan 31? This is like new year's eve, only even more depressing.
Guessing I won't be in Wetherspoons, probably.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:07 am
by Gfamily
GeenDienst wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:53 am
So where will you be 23:00 on Jan 31? This is like new year's eve, only even more depressing.
Guessing I won't be in Wetherspoons, probably.
We'll be in a pub with our astronomy group consoling each other - we did the same on the evening of 24th June 2016.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:21 pm
by Gfamily
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:48 pm
by FlammableFlower
Oof. The rules of origin stuff is going to be fun...
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm
by plodder
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:01 pm
by FlammableFlower
plodder wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm
Wow.
Yeah, it's all those bits that return out to be faaaaar more complicated than you realise and have all sorts of knock-on effects. That and the fact that Boris's "easy" NI solution will hang around like nuclear waste.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:30 pm
by Pucksoppet
The picture in my mind's eye is of Alexander sitting on a tree branch, busily applying a saw to the portion between him and the trunk, with him saying: "I'm making tree-mendous progress!".
But talk of all these difficulties is 'obviously' a remainer defeatist plot.
I feel sorry for all the people whose lives will be made more difficult by Brexit. They have not been served well by the media or parliament and the powerful. I just hope that when they get angry, their ire will be directed at the correct targets.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:30 pm
by JQH
plodder wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm
Wow.
We're even more f.cked than I thought we were.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:32 pm
by lpm
...but Johnson revealed in the autumn that he's a terrible negotiator who always folds. He'll agree to the EU's offer then lie about it.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:36 am
by plodder
lpm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:32 pm
...but Johnson revealed in the autumn that he's a terrible negotiator who always folds. He'll agree to the EU's offer then lie about it.
Be interesting to see how Cummings copes with that.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:39 am
by sheldrake
plodder wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:39 pm
Wow.
The article is hysterical drivel. The writing style is breathlessly adolescent.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:50 am
by lpm
Hysterical drivel? The writing style breathlessly adolescent? Must have been written by Boris Johnson for The Telegraph.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:54 am
by sheldrake
lpm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:50 am
Hysterical drivel? The writing style breathlessly adolescent? Must have been written by Boris Johnson for The Telegraph.
'I know you are but what am I'.
You're better than this LPM.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:02 am
by lpm
You now need to post something that explains why you think it's drivel. Otherwise all you've done is a drive-by ad hom, followed by objecting to a drive-by ad hom.
Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
by Martin Y
sheldrake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:39 am
The article is hysterical drivel.
Reassure us that stuff will all be fixed by December.
Tell us Top Men are working on it.