That was true on 23 July 2019 when ABdeP Johnson was elected leader of the English National Party, to use a more accurate designation.
In looking up that date, I was entertained to discover that when I typed "Boris Johnson" into the search box on Wikipedia, the second option offered to me was this. Unfortunately the anti-swear forum editor modifies the URL so the link doesn't work.
That's the day before we put our house on the market. What a coincidence. We'd left the UK by the end of September.
The Tories have rules on a leader winning a leadership contest not being able to be challenged again for 12 months (without half the party submitting letters of no confidence), but do they have rules about challengers winning a leadership contest not being able to be challenged within a set time frame? Because Truss wasn't the leader the MPs wanted, but if they submit those letters and Truss can't contest the election, can Boris make a comeback?
My understanding is that new leaders are not immune from NC votes... If 54 MP's hand their letter in she'll be subject to a NC vote same as anyone else. If she lost a NC vote then fresh elections would need to be held and BJ would be entitled to throw his hat back in the ring.
According to this 12 of the 54 could be in on day one and the plan to bring BJ back is already afoot.
Whether the parliamentary party go for that is another matter. All depends on the speed at which Liz inevitably sinks and when MP's start to experience buyers remorse.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:52 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Bad news on the rat recipe front. I keep finding pages like this one, which suggest that urban rats shouldn't be eaten for hygiene reasons. https://foodwine.com/eat-rats/
Plus:
There’s no other way to bluntly describe the smell of rat meat more than it smelling like rats. Such is because of the oil that rats naturally secrete, which can affect both the odor and taste of rat meat. Different people describe rat meat differently smell-wise. Some say it’s like urine, while others say it’s like tortilla chips.
The mind boggles.
There's some basic recipes on that page anyway, should you want/need to risk it. Strong aromatics are advised.
Most recipes I found were from parts of the world where people eat other rat species. I haven't shared them, because they call for things like mango or galangal, and if you're eating rats you probably won't have access to things like that. Hopefully Jamie Oliver or Jack Monroe can come up with some Great British Rat Recipes.
The Tories have rules on a leader winning a leadership contest not being able to be challenged again for 12 months (without half the party submitting letters of no confidence), but do they have rules about challengers winning a leadership contest not being able to be challenged within a set time frame? Because Truss wasn't the leader the MPs wanted, but if they submit those letters and Truss can't contest the election, can Boris make a comeback?
The situation you mention "a [Tory] leader winning a leadership contest" cannot occur, it would seem. All leaders winning Tory leadership contests these days are new leaders. What happened when Mrs Thatcher won a leadership contest against a challenger cannot happen under today's Tory rules. I suspect what you had in mind is that a Tory leader who wins a vote of confidence cannot be subject to another vote of confidence for 12 months. We seem to be fairly sure of that, although the wording of the rule in question is not in the public domain. As for the question you ask, the answer is not in the public domain, and I don't think it has even been addressed.
What we know, from documents in the public domain, is only that a Tory leader resigning cannot take part in a leadership contest. For that is set out in Schedule 2 of the Constitution of the Conservative Party
What we can apparently deduce, but isn't set out plainly in rules we can read, is set out in this Parliamentary research briefing. But the 1922 Committee can always change the rules.
According to that, a Tory leader who loses a no confidence vote cannot take part in a leadership contest either. So that is why neither one that resigns, nor one that loses confidence, can take part in a leadership contest and remain in post. It is also there we read that a Tory leader who wins a vote of no confidence cannot be challenged again for 12 months. That's apparently why we had the mass ministerial resignations to dislodge Johnson.
I think we just don't know the answer to the question whether the 1922 Committee would accept a no confidence vote in a new leader within 12 months of them being elected. Maybe even they don't know. Maybe their rules don't even say whether that is possible. I think if there was an attempt, they might have to make a decision as to whether they would accept it.
Does anybody with an EU passport fancy adopting me ?? I'm reasonably house-trained.
[Really beginning to hate my Irish ancestors - two generation to early for me to qualify for an Irish passport]
I have an Irish mother but haven’t got an Irish passport, yet.
I was British/Italian dual national until I was 7. Then I swapped my Italian for Australian when I was naturalized. If I'd been naturalised a bit later I could have kept my Italian as well. Moderately difficult (like very + Italian bureaucracy on top) to get it back, but it is possible. If it wasn't for the children I'd actually attempt it (they make it even harder).
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:08 pm
by TopBadger
Patel is stepping down... won't serve under Truss... so thats a small silver lining perhaps.
No snap election... apparently.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:13 pm
by TimW
It's been claimed that Boris is admired from Kiev to Carlisle.