Re: International travel
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:28 pm
Portugal is proving that point nicely right about nowsTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:28 pmThat French curve is very similar to Germany's. Looks small, but it's still exponential growth. My prediction is that both countries will be back in the sh.t in a month if they don't tighten up their measures.
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Personally I like to be able to walk along pavements unobstructed, and dislike public spaces being privatised.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
Cafes would probably be ok. Town council and pubs/cafes have created a ‘European style’ outdoor dining area near the town centre here, since covid. It’s a bit less Parisian cafes and more Benidorm. On a hot, sunny day like today there will be a riot van parked there all day. Last bank holiday they put an ambulance there too, but I think they are all busy now.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
OffTheRock wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:47 pmCafes would probably be ok. Town council and pubs/cafes have created a ‘European style’ outdoor dining area near the town centre here, since covid. It’s a bit less Parisian cafes and more Benidorm. On a hot, sunny day like today there will be a riot van parked there all day. Last bank holiday they put an ambulance there too, but I think they are all busy now.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
I’d imagine there’s some very drunk, sunburnt people out there right now.
Ours in UK was 70p cheaper.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:04 pmGot nasally gouged for 100€ this afternoon.
Was an interesting set-up - don't think I've seen a drive-through marquee before.
There shouldn't be heaters regarless of decarbonisation. It's just plain wasteful.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
I agree. There's an on-going row in my home town (Whitby) because some cafe owner has filled the Battery (a public space) with tables and chairs, blocking one of the access routes to the beach.Sciolus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:14 pmPersonally I like to be able to walk along pavements unobstructed, and dislike public spaces being privatised.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:06 pmTo be fair, I've often wondered why the UK doesn't have more outside cafes - I've done them in Belgium during a snowstorm, Copenhagen in drizzle, etc. Just need umbrellas and heaters (preferably from a decarbonised grid, of course).
Apparently it's only one particular bit "of France" which has a problem with the Beta.shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 amQuarantine to remain for travellers returning to the UK, which has a large number of cases of a somewhat vaccine-resistant variant (delta) from France in case they bring a vaccine-resistant variant (beta) with them.
Their cases are going up too!
I'm in New York at the moment. Most of the restaurants now have some outdoor seating, but they've taken over parking spaces rather than sidewalks. There are temporary structures that separate you from the traffic and shelter you from the elements a bit. I like it.
Actually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.
Aren't most outdoor heaters those radiant heaters and meant to heat bodies rather than air?Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:04 amActually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.
Why? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
A heat source can be at ground level.Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:04 amActually, outdoor chillers are more sensible than outdoor heaters. When you heat the air it rises, losing it. But if you cool air, it sinks. So if you have something like an enclosed courtyard on a still day, you might get quite good value for your expended energy.
Because sitting outside if you consider it too cold to do so, is as stupid as sitting in full sun if you consider it too hot to do so. Would you sit in full sun and try to cool the air around you? No, you'd sit in the shade or move to a cooler indoor space.tom p wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:17 amWhy? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.
Environmentally, fair enough, but the way you wrote it is seemed like you were questioning the efficacy.headshot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:06 amBecause sitting outside if you consider it too cold to do so, is as stupid as sitting in full sun if you consider it too hot to do so. Would you sit in full sun and try to cool the air around you? No, you'd sit in the shade or move to a cooler indoor space.tom p wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:17 amWhy? That suggests you think that outdoor heating doesn't work, when it clearly does.
Outdoor heating makes warms up anyone near the heat source, as long as it continues to be a heat source. This must have been known by all hominid species since our long-gone ancestors discovered how to control fire.
Too cold? Put on more clothes or move indoors. Don't heat the outdoors to make it more comfortable for your personal idea of warmth.
I'm not talking about existential levels of heating here - such as our ancestors experienced - I'm talking about being comfortable whilst having a latte in a modern urban setting where other options are clearly available.
*All of this is pre-Covid, of course.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57888745shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:13 amA person has tested positive for Covid-19 at the Tokyo Olympics athletes’ village!shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:10 pmTokyo 2020 Games may have to be held behind closed doors, says Lord Coe
I am completely shocked by this occurrence!
A female United States gymnast tested positive for Covid and a team member has been identified as a close contact.
Earlier organisers confirmed six new cases connected to the Olympics including media, contractors and other personnel, bringing the total number of positive cases to 62.
Now it seems you don't have to self-isolate if you're coming from that bit "of France": https://twitter.com/AlexSeale/status/14 ... 82635?s=19shpalman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:59 pmApparently it's only one particular bit "of France" which has a problem with the Beta.shpalman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:50 amQuarantine to remain for travellers returning to the UK, which has a large number of cases of a somewhat vaccine-resistant variant (delta) from France in case they bring a vaccine-resistant variant (beta) with them.
Their cases are going up too!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ine-change
Restaurants in Dubai have outdoor aircon. The terrace area will have fans on three sides blowing cold air over the diners.