Re: Getting Brexit done
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:55 pm
Dragged along in the wake of the plummeting Dow Jones.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:55 pmPerhaps we should start caring again, the pound is hovering around the 10 year low against the euro.
The EU will be able to use its sizable market to drive down the price they pay for treatments or vaccines developed for Covid-19. Unfortunately that won't include the UK and we'll finish up paying more. Unless we develop our own. How is the UK pharma industry these days?
I’m so glad we spent all our time and energy over the last 3 years playing out the Tories psychodrama on the national stage and the last decade hollowing out our health service for no clear reason*. We can now segue straight into the Plague Times very well-prepared, mentally and socially, to deal with the challenges it presents with our customary calm and rationality.
Edit fur-scents.Little waster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:47 amI’m so glad we spent all our time and energy over the last 3 years playing out the Tories psychodrama on the national stage and the last decade hollowing out our health service for no clear reason*. We can now segue straight into the Plague Times very well-prepared, mentally and socially, to deal with the challenges it presents with our customary calm and rationality.
*can anyone remember when “the Deficit” was a thing? Remember when anybody who tried to suggest it wasn’t that bad or that austerity was the wrong way to tackle a cyclical financial shortfall was howled down as a Deficit Denier. I can only assume that the Deficit was quietly defeated at some point in the late 10s.
Mostly overseasJQH wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:40 pmThe EU will be able to use its sizable market to drive down the price they pay for treatments or vaccines developed for Covid-19. Unfortunately that won't include the UK and we'll finish up paying more. Unless we develop our own. How is the UK pharma industry these days?
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.c ... facturing/The UK only makes a small amount of its own vaccines and so is heavily reliant on imports from other countries, when it could have its own institutions working together on new developments. Hence the manufacturing gap.
In light of Brexit and some recent vaccine shortages, the UK is investing in using its own resources to tackle the problem.
Earlier this year, pharmacists were reporting struggling to obtain many common medicines including painkillers and anti-depressants. At the same time the Department of Health had reported that there were 80 medicines in such short supply that it had to pay a premium for them.
There have also been fears that a hard Brexit or a no-deal scenario could lead to a shortage of vaccines and other vital medication in the UK. Most of the commonly used vaccines in the country, such as the HPV vaccine, are imported from overseas, including many EU countries.
The creation of the VMIC is one way that the British Government is working to tackle this issue by boosting domestic production and reducing reliance on European vaccine supplies.
If they don’t give us fair shares from the start, the Leavers will see that as further evidence leaving was the right thing to do. After all sovereignty/taking back control/blue passports are more important than access to life saving vaccines.
And if they do give us fair shares from the start, the Leavers will see that as further evidence leaving was the right thing to do. After all sovereignty/taking back control/blue passports have been got without losing access to life saving vaccines.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:26 pmIf they don’t give us fair shares from the start, the Leavers will see that as further evidence leaving was the right thing to do. After all sovereignty/taking back control/blue passports are more important than access to life saving vaccines.
The demographics of Brexit supporters doesn't play well with Covid-19Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:26 pmIf they don’t give us fair shares from the start, the Leavers will see that as further evidence leaving was the right thing to do. After all sovereignty/taking back control/blue passports are more important than access to life saving vaccines.
Not just the age range, but the likelihood of listening to experts and taking the correct precautions.bjn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:45 pmThe demographics of Brexit supporters doesn't play well with Covid-19Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:26 pmIf they don’t give us fair shares from the start, the Leavers will see that as further evidence leaving was the right thing to do. After all sovereignty/taking back control/blue passports are more important than access to life saving vaccines.
Stanley Johnson, 79, said: "Of course I'll go to a pub if I need to go to a pub." Speaking on ITV's This Morning, he said landlords "don't want people to be not in the pub at all".
Well... if the EU looked after their own first, and assuming we'd be the first country 'in line' outside the EU to get any... around day 450?
As shown by that twitter post about the Brits* in Spain
I'm on a paragliding chat group, most of us have said we should stop flying to reduce the case loads on A&E due to possible accidents. One chap is, "until there are police going round enforcing curfews I will still fly". Grrrr.
You are not the only one to notice, but the Conservatives had changed their tune long before COVID-19Little waster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:50 amEdit fur-scents.Little waster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:47 amI’m so glad we spent all our time and energy over the last 3 years playing out the Tories psychodrama on the national stage and the last decade hollowing out our health service for no clear reason*. We can now segue straight into the Plague Times very well-prepared, mentally and socially, to deal with the challenges it presents with our customary calm and rationality.
*can anyone remember when “the Deficit” was a thing? Remember when anybody who tried to suggest it wasn’t that bad or that austerity was the wrong way to tackle a cyclical financial shortfall was howled down as a Deficit Denier. I can only assume that the Deficit was quietly defeated at some point in the late 10s.
*Makes note to self to never attempt multi-tasking again it always ends badly*
Particularly since companies have a duty to their shareholders and not to their employees, so direct support to employees would be better - not least because that money is more likely to go into circulation quicker.Pucksoppet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:20 amIt is easiest to give money to big businesses, but I suspect a lot of people in difficult economic circumstances as a result of COVID-19 will not benefit from 'trickle-down' and need direct help. Now is not the time to be worrying about a small percentage of 'benefit freeloaders'.
That's not how duty to shareholders is required to work. The duty is to protect the company and thus the shareholders' investment, not to pay out dividends before maintaining a healthy workforce that makes the company a viable ongoing concern.Gfamily wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:29 amParticularly since companies have a duty to their shareholders and not to their employees, so direct support to employees would be better - not least because that money is more likely to go into circulation quicker.Pucksoppet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:20 amIt is easiest to give money to big businesses, but I suspect a lot of people in difficult economic circumstances as a result of COVID-19 will not benefit from 'trickle-down' and need direct help. Now is not the time to be worrying about a small percentage of 'benefit freeloaders'.
In my experience of paragliding that ought to be “until there are police going round enforcing curfews I will still hang around hilltops cursing about the weather”
parawaiting is a zen like skill one needs to learn.individualmember wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:10 amIn my experience of paragliding that ought to be “until there are police going round enforcing curfews I will still hang around hilltops cursing about the weather”
(The gaps between satisfying hits were too long to sustain that particular addiction for me)
Undoubtedly.bjn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:14 amparawaiting is a zen like skill one needs to learn.individualmember wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:10 amIn my experience of paragliding that ought to be “until there are police going round enforcing curfews I will still hang around hilltops cursing about the weather”
(The gaps between satisfying hits were too long to sustain that particular addiction for me)
Round here, near Mam Tor, the paragliders usually tend to be quite crowded on Rushup Edge.