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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Boustrophedon » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:54 pm

shpalman wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:37 pm
He tested negative.
This time.
...zoologically improbable and/or terrifying to small children.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:09 am

There were rumours that Brazilian fascist c.nt Jair Bolsonaro got it too, but unfortunately not. Yet.
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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Matatouille » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:02 am

Boustrophedon wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:54 pm
shpalman wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:37 pm
He tested negative.
This time.
Are we still testing for the virus in the bloodstream, or do we now have the ability to do antibody tests? If detecting the virus itself, I understand that there is a finite window where there is enough virus in the blood to detect. Before that there is a period from initial infection (some of that time a patient might be themselves infectious), and also after the virus has been fought off. Therefore all a virus test will say is that the person does or doesn't have measurable virus now, not definitively that they are, are not, or have been infected or infectious. If we can do antibody tests we can further narrow that down by telling if they have been infected previously.

Further blood virus tests might be required for a definitive answer.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by AMS » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:12 am

Matatouille wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:02 am
Boustrophedon wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:54 pm
shpalman wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:37 pm
He tested negative.
This time.
Are we still testing for the virus in the bloodstream, or do we now have the ability to do antibody tests? If detecting the virus itself, I understand that there is a finite window where there is enough virus in the blood to detect. Before that there is a period from initial infection (some of that time a patient might be themselves infectious), and also after the virus has been fought off. Therefore all a virus test will say is that the person does or doesn't have measurable virus now, not definitively that they are, are not, or have been infected or infectious. If we can do antibody tests we can further narrow that down by telling if they have been infected previously.

Further blood virus tests might be required for a definitive answer.
The current tests are for the virus' RNA (from throat swabs I think, not blood), but antibody tests are in development. These will be very useful for identifying who has developed immunity, especially if we're not going to bother testing the mild cases, as we'll want to get the immune population back outdoors as soon as possible and doing economically active things. They'll also be valuable for providing services and social contact for the elderly and vulnerable.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by Pucksoppet » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:13 pm

AMS wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:12 am


The current tests are for the virus' RNA (from throat swabs I think, not blood), but antibody tests are in development. These will be very useful for identifying who has developed immunity, especially if we're not going to bother testing the mild cases, as we'll want to get the immune population back outdoors as soon as possible and doing economically active things. They'll also be valuable for providing services and social contact for the elderly and vulnerable.
Antibody tests are (apparently*) available now [1][2], but what we don't know if how good or long lasting the IgG immunity is. There have been reports of re-infection, so having IgG antibodies might not confer sufficient immunity to make you safe to work with vulnerable people who have never been infected. There's a lot we don't know yet.

*My spidey sense tingles on the second link. The first link looks more like a legitimate company, but it seems odd that a small, company in Belfast is offering antibody testing. There's a story here somewhere, which has a high probability of me having been taken in.

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Re: Trump Impeachment

Post by bmforre » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:22 pm

NYTimes
President Trump told a group of governors Monday morning that they should not wait for the federal government to fill the growing demand for respirators needed to help people diagnosed with coronavirus.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.

“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

The suggestion surprised some of the governors, who have been scrambling to contain the outbreak and are increasingly looking to the federal government for help with equipment, personnel and financial aid.

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Donald Trump's health

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:43 pm

Splitting some posts from the Impeachment thread which were actually all speculation about Trump's health.
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Re: Donald Trump's health

Post by bmforre » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:54 am

What is the Trump version of Napoleons famous declaration "His Majestys health has never been better"? *

* This was stated during the catastrophic campaign against Russia in winter, that led to almost everyone being lost.

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Re: Donald Trump's health

Post by bmforre » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:42 am

Intelligence warned about pandemic threat
but Donald doesn't like intelligence.

He much prefers slyness.

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Re: Donald Trump's health

Post by Bird on a Fire » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:20 pm

bmforre wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:42 am
Intelligence warned about pandemic threat
but Donald doesn't like intelligence.

He much prefers slyness.
He and his friends made huge profits on the stock market using this insider information. It's not unintelligent. c.nty, and possibly illegal(?), sure. But it makes sense.
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Re: Donald Trump's health

Post by lpm » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 pm

f.cking doctors and nurses in New York. Nicking masks. Sending them out the back door.

Trump is furious about it. Because he's not getting his cut.
I'll miss him after he's died in the pandemic

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Re: Donald Trump's health

Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:08 am

lpm wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 pm
f.cking doctors and nurses in New York. Nicking masks. Sending them out the back door.

Trump is furious about it. Because he's not getting his cut.
He's just been given an unaudited $500 billion slush fund so I expect he'll be ok. Nicking masks is amateur hour compared to a grifter like Trump.

Unless he actually gets covid, in which case I don't fancy his chances.
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