Scrutable

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:25 pm

I'm really, really hoping that by Friday he's back on his arse again

If their timeline is even close to accurate, he's not even reached the danger zone. IIRC it was nine days from symptoms to hospital with Johnson.

ETA a tweet from @DanaBashCNN "A source familiar with POTUS phone calls from the hospital today tells me he said “I need to get out of here.” He's being warned that if he rushes to leave the hospital and has a setback it would be bad for not just his health, but his re-election campaign."

Well, fingers crossed, eh?

The White House is about as well equipped as a basic US hospital ward anyway. It not an ICU, but it has significant capability.

Why are his doctors wearing lab coats outside. I work in a lab. The point of a lab coat is to help keep lab stuff off of your clothes. You take it off before leaving the lab. Wearing them outdoors for a press briefing is utterly for show. It would be like NASA people giving their press conferences in space suits.

AMS wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:04 pm

Why are his doctors wearing lab coats outside. I work in a lab. The point of a lab coat is to help keep lab stuff off of your clothes. You take it off before leaving the lab. Wearing them outdoors for a press briefing is utterly for show. It would be like NASA people giving their press conferences in space suits.

I don't know if it is somehow part of their uniform, what with most of them being in the military, but it's the kind of thing one sees in Kim Jong Un's photo ops.

Dr. Conley claiming Trump hasn't been on fever reducing medications for 72 hours, despite him being on dex, which does exactly that, and "Dexamethasone can hide a fever" being one of the big warnings on the label.

Also claiming he can't discuss lung scans due to HIPAA, all while discussing lots of other medical details. Coupled with the "Lung scans were as expected" rather than works like healthy, or normal, and Conley's pattern of evading questions by not telling the whole of the truth, can we now at least presume there's something wrong on his lung scan?

I just saw someone* propose the formulation of "Trump's Razor" in relation to the issue of his most recent negative test - "in the absence of transparency, innocent or politically favorable explanations can be ruled out."

*Christian Vanderbrouk

My assumption is that the steroids worked well enough for them to offload him to the WH medical center, so they don't have to put up with him anymore...

It's a big win for Trump, no doubt about it.

Gives the cult a boost, lets him play strong man.

lpm wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:28 pm

It's a big win for Trump, no doubt about it.

Gives the cult a boost, lets him play strong man.

Presumably he sits in quarantine in the WH, just waking up enough to tweet. While staff around him continue to test positive.

Of course, this gives Biden free reign to bring the negative ads back.

For context, this is Herman Cain's timeline

6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless
7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19
7/10: Says he’s improving
7/15: Says his doctors seem happy
7/27: Says he’s really getting better
7/30: Dies

ETA: This isn't an attempt to argue Trump will definitely get more seriously ill or die, just that it isn't a good idea to treat something with a long timescale and a lot of fluctuations like a horse race.

AMS wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:04 pm

Why are his doctors wearing lab coats outside. I work in a lab. The point of a lab coat is to help keep lab stuff off of your clothes. You take it off before leaving the lab. Wearing them outdoors for a press briefing is utterly for show. It would be like NASA people giving their press conferences in space suits.

I work in the US at a university with a teaching hospital. As far as I can tell, scrubs and white coats and whatnot are not there to keep yuckies inside the hospital, but so that doctors and nurses look like doctors and nurses. You see people wearing them outside constantly, getting their lunch, or drinks after work, etc.

My boss keeps saying that one day he's going to bring a water pistol with red food colouring in, so's he can squirt it at people to show them why scrubs should stay at work.

Oh wow

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:43 pm

Oh wow

That's not morphine behaviour, morphine makes one sleepy and unable to type sentences because losing focus halfway through, not giggly and excited and horny.

I know, fact checking a joke and everything, but someone is wrong on the internet!

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:08 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:43 pm

Oh wow

That's not morphine behaviour, morphine makes one sleepy and unable to type sentences because losing focus halfway through, not giggly and excited and horny.

I know, fact checking a joke and everything, but someone is wrong on the internet!

Should've said he was on nitrous oxide. Maybe not recommended for Covid but that in itself hardly makes it implausible.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:32 pm

ETA: This is an attempt to argue Trump will definitely get more seriously ill or die, just that it isn't a good idea to treat something with a long timescale and a lot of fluctuations like a horse race.

In a quite magnificent Freudian slip, you definitely left a “not” out of there.

Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:15 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:32 pm

ETA: This is an attempt to argue Trump will definitely get more seriously ill or die, just that it isn't a good idea to treat something with a long timescale and a lot of fluctuations like a horse race.

In a quite magnificent Freudian slip, you definitely left a “not” out of there.

Not even a freudian slip, just in pain and on morphine+DHC, but yes, I did leave a "not" out.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:32 pm

For context, this is Herman Cain's timeline

6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless
7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19
7/10: Says he’s improving
7/15: Says his doctors seem happy
7/27: Says he’s really getting better
7/30: Dies

ETA: This is an attempt to argue Trump will definitely get more seriously ill or die, just that it isn't a good idea to treat something with a long timescale and a lot of fluctuations like a horse race.

What about betting on it? Unfortunately the major bookies don’t seem to be offering odds on that. I don’t know why, it’s bad taste but then so is his whole life.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:08 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:43 pm

Oh wow

That's not morphine behaviour, morphine makes one sleepy and unable to type sentences because losing focus halfway through, not giggly and excited and horny.

I know, fact checking a joke and everything, but someone is wrong on the internet!

Hehe, only to be expected around here!

I was assuming that Trump fell asleep and someone nicked his phone

White House is deciding not to contact trace the people at their superspreader party, no doubt because to them, hiding how many people they kill is more important than saving lives.

People seem to be concentrating on Trump's masklessness.

But fomites are still a thing, unfashionable though they are at the moment. Everything Trump touches as he walks through the White House will be risky for the next person.

It all now needs a deep clean.

He looked strong when he strongly walked up the stairs and strongly took his mask off.

This bit, not so much.

https://twitter.com/brenonade/status/13 ... 8363552769

Looking quite a bit like Johnson when he stood on the doorstep to clap, funnily enough.

Whoever called out "How many of your staff are sick? Do you think you might be a superspreader Mr. President?" has rather f.cked up his timing this for the evening news.

Well he's not going to be able to do much debating if he can barely breathe.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:52 am

Well he's not going to be able to do much debating if he can barely breathe.

Given Trump's team are talking about the next debate, Biden should welcome the debate enthusiastically - just so long as the Cleveland Clinic's recommendations are followed, and Trump meet's CDC standards for being clear of COVID (IIRC he would meet the first test/onset of symptoms countdowns, but would still need to be clear of fever and have two negative PCRs). Failure to come through as COVID clear reminds people infected, the Cleveland Clinic requirement emphasises his irresponsible behaviour round the virus, and emphasis on an open, public testing record highlights his shocking behaviour round the first debate, not getting tested and using the honour system, but now not disclosing his last negative test despite claiming to be negative at the debate and claiming to be tested daily.

That and Biden beat Trump before COVID symptoms, according to I think every poll on the subject, and if anything the race has swung towards Biden since the debate.