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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by dyqik » Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:41 pm

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by bjn » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:08 pm

Interesting side story in an Ars Article, the construction of a major gas pipeline has been abandoned on the East Coast because it just all got too hard because of legal challenges. The owners, Duke Energy and Dominion Energy have also decided to sell of all their natural gas assets as well. They are both mainly electricity generators rather than fossil fuel companies. Dumping of assets before they become stranded?

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

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dyqik wrote:
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Don’t count your chickens
If you don't count your chickens, you'll never know if any new ones have hatched.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by bjn » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:19 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:16 pm
dyqik wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:41 pm
Grumble wrote:
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Don’t count your chickens
If you don't count your chickens, you'll never know if any new ones have hatched.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:16 pm

bjn wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:08 pm
Interesting side story in an Ars Article, the construction of a major gas pipeline has been abandoned on the East Coast because it just all got too hard because of legal challenges. The owners, Duke Energy and Dominion Energy have also decided to sell of all their natural gas assets as well. They are both mainly electricity generators rather than fossil fuel companies. Dumping of assets before they become stranded?
It really is worth celebrating every time a piece of legislation is passed that makes these kinds of things more difficult, no matter how limited or local. It all adds costs and reduces certainty, which feeds back into lowering the profitability of fossil investments.

I'm pleasantly surprised at how much of the work the market is doing, given the current inefficacy of political action.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:24 pm

There's a nice piece on this here https://insideclimatenews.org/news/0707 ... ntic-coast
"A new era upon us—one for clean energy, and one where the risks of fossil fuel infrastructure are increasingly exposed," said Kelly Martin, director of the Sierra Club's Beyond Dirty Fuel campaign.

Greg Buppert, senior attorney for the Southern Environmental Law Center, said that six years ago, when landowners and communities took up the battle against the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, there was little reason to think they would succeed.

"The remarkable thing is these communities, organizations and landowners never backed down," Buppert said. "They've won a victory, really for every community facing the unfair burden of an unneeded project."

"Two things really stand out to me as the lessons—the voices of the community matter and the law matters," said Buppert.

U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouilette blamed a "well-funded environmental lobby" for making the Atlantic Coast project "no longer economically viable." He asserted that the result will be higher energy costs for consumers.

The American Petroleum Institute, the oil and gas industry's largest advocacy group, said in a statement after the cancellation of the Atlantic Coast pipeline that "outdated and convoluted permitting rules are opening the door for a barrage of baseless, activist-led litigation."

Coming in less than 48 hours, the pipeline decisions amounted to a vivid rebuke of President Donald Trump's efforts to sweep aside obstacles to the oil and gas industry's desired expansion. The future of big fossil fuel infrastructure projects is more murky than ever, despite Trump's three executive orders expediting pipelines, his relentless regulatory rollbacks and his abandonment of climate policy.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by bjn » Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:48 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:16 pm
bjn wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:08 pm
Interesting side story in an Ars Article, the construction of a major gas pipeline has been abandoned on the East Coast because it just all got too hard because of legal challenges. The owners, Duke Energy and Dominion Energy have also decided to sell of all their natural gas assets as well. They are both mainly electricity generators rather than fossil fuel companies. Dumping of assets before they become stranded?
It really is worth celebrating every time a piece of legislation is passed that makes these kinds of things more difficult, no matter how limited or local. It all adds costs and reduces certainty, which feeds back into lowering the profitability of fossil investments.

I'm pleasantly surprised at how much of the work the market is doing, given the current inefficacy of political action.
In this case they’d actually won a legal challenge in the Supreme Court, but threw their hands up anyway..

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by bjn » Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:30 am

A new study from UC Berkeley showing stupidly cheap renewables have the ability to rapidly decarbonise electricity generation. It’s US centric, but they report that the US grid could have 90% carbon free generation by 2035, based around renewables with no need for transcontinental interconnects. The electricity would also be cheaper than it is now.

That’s less time than it taken to build a single EPR at Flammenville.

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Grumble » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:49 am

dyqik wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:41 pm
Grumble wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:38 pm
Don’t count your chickens
If you don't count your chickens, you'll never know if any new ones have hatched.
You shouldn’t try to find out. Chicken numbers are classified. That’s why the saying is “don’t count your chickens”. Just try it and see what happens to you.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:08 pm

It would be an interesting approach to try a "free market" for fossil fuels - it's tricky to calculate the financial costs of mitigating things like pollution and climate change and pricing them into the market. Without doing that, however, what the US is really arguing for is taxpayer subsidies for fossil fuels.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by bjn » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:37 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:08 pm
It would be an interesting approach to try a "free market" for fossil fuels - it's tricky to calculate the financial costs of mitigating things like pollution and climate change and pricing them into the market. Without doing that, however, what the US is really arguing for is taxpayer subsidies for fossil fuels.
Precisely. People with massive fortunes built on the polluting industries don’t want the costs of their filthy fuels taken into account, otherwise they won’t have massive fortunes anymore. So it is down to fighting tooth and nail. The good fortune is that other generation systems are undercutting them right now, even without a carbon charge. Backdoor active subsidies and regulation have been attempted to keep them alive however, eg:Trump attempting to mandate the prioritisation of FF systems over renewable systems in the electricity market, or Queensland paying for coal miners’ sole use infrastructure.

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Sciolus » Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:11 pm

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It's a sunny, windy day. Without some other form of power generation, wind and solar cannot reliably provide power - still nights occur. This is not to say wind and solar can't be of immense use, but we need to maintain power in all conditions, not just bright or windy ones.

That's why gas can't be fully replaced with wind and solar, and likely why the go ahead for more gas powered generation has been given.
No. The Drax case went through the planning process to the technocratic Planning Inspectorate, who evaluated it against the full range of public policy, and recommended it should be refused. The Secretary of State, who makes the final decision, overruled PINS. It is extremely unusual for PINS to refuse permission for any application that gets that far, and unprecedented for the SoS to go against PINS's recommendation.

This was a political decision.
Having said that, exactly the same has just happened with the Manston Airport application, so either it's more common than I thought, or this government has decided to change the unwritten rules.

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by bjn » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:15 am

NSW has finally announced a renewables energy plan. In Oz, energy policy is devolved to the individual states. NSW is aiming to significantly reduce their reliance on coal generation (currently at 80%). Their plan for dealing with intermittency is a mix of storage and importing power from other states, which will often be sitting in separate weather patterns. No new gas generation required. Tasmania is planning on being a net supplier of renewables by 2030, generating 200% of their power from renewables, so being able to supply the other states as needed.

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Grumble » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:10 pm

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Thought's from those with more understanding of this?:

Giant flywheel project in Scotland could prevent UK blackouts
The article is deplorably lacking in detail, however the essentials of the article including the stability afforded by traditional power stations having big spinning lumps of metal seem correct. It’s kind of an obvious solution really - replace one big spinning metal thing with another. I wish they had a bit more info though.
More technical article here (about the topic not this installation): http://watt-logic.com/2017/10/12/inerti ... %20to%20GJ.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by bjn » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:51 pm

Over the first six months of this year renewables power generation grew by 11% in Europe, while fossil fuel use dropped by 18% and renewables (wind, solar, hydro and bioenergy) are now the largest contributor to electricity generation in Europe. 40% of the total vs 34% for fossil fuels. 21% of electricity generated was by wind and solar. That growth was driven by new renewable generation capacity coming on line this year.

The things that confuse the picture are of course the lockdown and coming out of winter into summer. Demand has dropped over those six months, but the thing that took the hit was mainly coal generators (a 32% drop), but gas generation as well (7% drop). That as a double hit, as they were both displaced by increase renewable generation and a drop in demand. Should demand pick up as we come back into winter and if the 'rona abates, FF generation should pick up again, but not back to what they were at the beginning of the year.

The data is available in an XLS.

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by jimbob » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:59 pm

A blogpost about Gallium Nitride FETs in power conversion - with respect to electric vehicles

https://efficiencywins.nexperia.com/inn ... rsion.html

One thing that is mentioned but not expanded on, is that the increased efficiency and reduced heat losses means that in many say 10kW applications, you can move from active to passive cooling, which makes it far easier to make the power inverters waterproof (no cooling fans) so makes them more attractive for remote and mobile installations.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Grumble » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:32 pm

jimbob wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:59 pm
A blogpost about Gallium Nitride FETs in power conversion - with respect to electric vehicles

https://efficiencywins.nexperia.com/inn ... rsion.html

One thing that is mentioned but not expanded on, is that the increased efficiency and reduced heat losses means that in many say 10kW applications, you can move from active to passive cooling, which makes it far easier to make the power inverters waterproof (no cooling fans) so makes them more attractive for remote and mobile installations.
That’s awesome. Things like this, parts of the system you’d never even think of as a layman, are going to improve so much now there is a market for EVs. Gives me hope that part of the future will be cool.
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by MartinDurkin » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:10 am

jimbob wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:59 pm
A blogpost about Gallium Nitride FETs in power conversion - with respect to electric vehicles

https://efficiencywins.nexperia.com/inn ... rsion.html

One thing that is mentioned but not expanded on, is that the increased efficiency and reduced heat losses means that in many say 10kW applications, you can move from active to passive cooling, which makes it far easier to make the power inverters waterproof (no cooling fans) so makes them more attractive for remote and mobile installations.
The IET recently did a webinar on "electric vehicles – reducing carbon emissions through power electronics" which is now up on YouTube here.
https://youtu.be/q5ZGY6TjaTk
Gives a bit more context to electric vehicle charging and where these FETs can fit in.

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by jimbob » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:20 am

MartinDurkin wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:10 am
jimbob wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:59 pm
A blogpost about Gallium Nitride FETs in power conversion - with respect to electric vehicles

https://efficiencywins.nexperia.com/inn ... rsion.html

One thing that is mentioned but not expanded on, is that the increased efficiency and reduced heat losses means that in many say 10kW applications, you can move from active to passive cooling, which makes it far easier to make the power inverters waterproof (no cooling fans) so makes them more attractive for remote and mobile installations.
The IET recently did a webinar on "electric vehicles – reducing carbon emissions through power electronics" which is now up on YouTube here.
https://youtu.be/q5ZGY6TjaTk
Gives a bit more context to electric vehicle charging and where these FETs can fit in.
Yes, there are lots of places where you'd want 650V solid-state switches. Low voltage (even down to 20V-40V) have been used in start-stop systems or mild-hybrid systems (which are the simplest hybrid types). Anywhere you have brushless motors is another place for some type of FET.

Just as you have high-voltage grid cables with low-voltage domestic use, to minimise long-distance resistive losses, many poser-management schemes (in computers, for example) have similar "high" voltage rails (about 20V) and point of load voltage converters to step the voltage down to IC-friendly voltages - again for minimising resistive losses.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by dyqik » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:01 pm

jimbob wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:20 am
Just as you have high-voltage grid cables with low-voltage domestic use, to minimise long-distance resistive losses, many poser-management schemes (in computers, for example) have similar "high" voltage rails (about 20V) and point of load voltage converters to step the voltage down to IC-friendly voltages - again for minimising resistive losses.
Something about booking models for a fashion show?

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by jimbob » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:24 pm

dyqik wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:01 pm
jimbob wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:20 am
Just as you have high-voltage grid cables with low-voltage domestic use, to minimise long-distance resistive losses, many poser-management schemes (in computers, for example) have similar "high" voltage rails (about 20V) and point of load voltage converters to step the voltage down to IC-friendly voltages - again for minimising resistive losses.
Something about booking models for a fashion show?
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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by Little waster » Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:41 pm

Heart warming story on the BBC news today.

Market forces means heroin is now low carbon. :|

I vaguely remember in the Old Country, Ben Pile regurgitating the $piked party line opposing the trend towards small scale and self-sufficient micro-generation projects in the 3rd World as being patronising.

Apparently what vast barren lawless poverty stricken countries like Afghanistan need is large centralised fossil fuel plants with expensive and vulnerable distribution networks, dependent on the vagaries of global fossil fuel prices and the expertise of foreign consultants. It is what Stalin would have wanted.
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Post by bjn » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:33 pm

Little waster wrote:
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Heart warming story on the BBC news today.

Market forces means heroin is now low carbon. :|

I vaguely remember in the Old Country, Ben Pile regurgitating the $piked party line opposing the trend towards small scale and self-sufficient micro-generation projects in the 3rd World as being patronising.

Apparently what vast barren lawless poverty stricken countries like Afghanistan need is large centralised fossil fuel plants with expensive and vulnerable distribution networks, dependent on the vagaries of global fossil fuel prices and the expertise of foreign consultants. It is what Stalin would have wanted.
The nice thing about solar is the the technology is pretty much the same regardless of the size of the generation project. The big ones just use the same panels as the small ones, just more of them. Possibly larger inverters for the big projects. It also means a small project could scale up easily enough if theres is demand that it can met.

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Re: The Death Of Fossil Fuels

Post by AMS » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:56 pm

I was reading earlier today about electric combi boilers as replacement for gas. Anyone know if they're any good? It did say that gas is cheaper than leccy for heating per kW, but that this is partially offset by electric boilers being more efficient - close to 100% in fact, as for this application, energy lost as heat is kind of the point.
Presumably gas is much worse for efficiency because of heat carried away in the flue gases.

So when our current elderly boiler dies, are they worth it? (My view of electric water heaters is tarnished by those units you used to get on the hot water tap in places like village halls or pub toilets, which uniformly do nothing to the water temperature.)

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