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Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:36 pm
by plodder

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:45 pm
by Gfamily
plodder wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:36 pm
another one

https://www.lemonde.fr/international/ar ... _3210.html
The Google Maps 3D view of the 'before'
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Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:13 pm
by Brightonian
Replacement for the Morandi bridge now finished: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ly-morandi

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:16 pm
by shpalman
It's being tested by having heavy lorries drive on it, before the final asphalt gets laid down.

It's going to have a relatively low speed limit on it (70-80 km/h), because of the curves at the ends of it I think.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am
by bmforre
Le Monde reports the ceremonial opening today, Monday August 3, of the new bridge in Genoa replacing the failed Morandi one less than 2 years after the fall.

The building of this very important new bridge seems to stand out as a massive concordant effort. Not even the pandemic has been able to hold it back significantly. Very interesting reading but this article is marked as "reserved to subscribers".

I know the Guardian has reported on this. Will the BBC take up this news and analysis?

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:32 am
by tenchboy
bmforre wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am
Le Monde reports the ceremonial opening today, Monday August 3, of the new bridge in Genoa replacing the failed Morandi one less than 2 years after the fall.

The building of this very important new bridge seems to stand out as a massive concordant effort. Not even the pandemic has been able to hold it back significantly. Very interesting reading but this article is marked as "reserved to subscribers".

I know the Guardian has reported on this. Will the BBC take up this news and analysis?
Yes.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:48 am
by shpalman
Why does the BBC article say that his design is "echoing a giant ship"? It's literally a road on pillars. (ETA It's because Renzo himself used the word vascello maybe to feel like a road on pillars wasn't a boring thing to be designing.)

I mean, I'm glad Renzo Piano basically "just" designed a simple road on pillars instead of going for something flashy or gimmicky, as Morandi's original design was.

ETA the successful completion of this piece of motorway infrastructure in Genova may not be appreciated by anyone who's tried to actually get to Genova over the past few weeks and been stuck in hours of tailbacks due to roadworks which somehow couldn't have been done during the lockdown.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:01 pm
by AMS
Nice bridge. Looks nothing like a ship though.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:29 pm
by shpalman
Interview with the boss of one of the four companies which worked 24/7 to make the concrete. Apparently the architect asked for "huggable" concrete.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:09 am
by bmforre
shpalman wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:29 pm
Interview with the boss of one of the four companies which worked 24/7 to make the concrete. Apparently the architect asked for "huggable" concrete.
In what language? Any idea of what intention he tried to convey?

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:05 am
by shpalman
bmforre wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:09 am
shpalman wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:29 pm
Interview with the boss of one of the four companies which worked 24/7 to make the concrete. Apparently the architect asked for "huggable" concrete.
In what language? Any idea of what intention he tried to convey?
Italian.

No. And neither did the boss, who then apparently asked for a more technical specification.

I can't remember which news program I saw it on.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:22 am
by jimbob
shpalman wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:05 am
bmforre wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:09 am
shpalman wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:29 pm
Interview with the boss of one of the four companies which worked 24/7 to make the concrete. Apparently the architect asked for "huggable" concrete.
In what language? Any idea of what intention he tried to convey?
Italian.

No. And neither did the boss, who then apparently asked for a more technical specification.

I can't remember which news program I saw it on.
I'd have thought that if you were replacing a bridge that had collapsed in a notorious accident, you wouldn't want anything fancy.as being a bit inappropriate.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:03 am
by basementer
shpalman wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:05 am
bmforre wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:09 am
shpalman wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:29 pm
Interview with the boss of one of the four companies which worked 24/7 to make the concrete. Apparently the architect asked for "huggable" concrete.
In what language? Any idea of what intention he tried to convey?
Italian.

No. And neither did the boss, who then apparently asked for a more technical specification.

I can't remember which news program I saw it on.
Something like "familiar and trustworthy" as opposed to "innovative" maybe?

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:51 pm
by Bird on a Fire
The underside does look a bit like the hull of a ship, to be fair. And I expect the architect paid attention to its aesthetics because of all the people that will pass underneath it, as well as on top.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:28 pm
by shpalman
It's open now and there were queues on it already. But that was partly due to people slowing down to take photos and videos.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:01 am
by Bird on a Fire
I drove over Vasco da Gama bridge today, picking up my sister from the airport.

Now that is a bridge that looks like a ship. I'm really quite fond of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasco_da_Gama_Bridge - look at those sails! 😍

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:04 am
by shpalman
We've had quite a bit of rain here in Como - the lake is flooding into the town centre - but Piemonte has had it far worse, with a bridge near Novara collapsing having been reopened a few hours earlier.

(It had been closed when the level of the river was higher.)

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:48 am
by shpalman
The had 6 months worth of rain in a few hours, apparently.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:28 pm
by shpalman

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:49 pm
by lpm
God that's awful. The bit at the end where they show the victims' hats floating in the water bring home the tragedy.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:11 pm
by Mostly Harmless
Ashes to ashes,
Ngops to boaters.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:13 pm
by Boustrophedon
Three of them didn't even spill their drinks.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:04 am
by lpm
This Baltimore bridge seems to just fold.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:26 am
by Grumble
lpm wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:04 am
This Baltimore bridge seems to just fold.
The momentum of a fully laden container ship doesn’t bear thinking about, the force transferred to the bridge footing and then the bridge itself will be far in excess of the design calcs.

Re: Italian bridge collapse

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:38 am
by Grumble
Looks like the structure of the bridge would potentially land on top of vehicles under the water, making survival very difficult.