Next Tory Leader

Discussions about serious topics, for serious people

Who will be the next leader of the Tory party?

Michael Gove
5
10%
Rishi Sunak
8
15%
Jeremy Hunt
4
8%
Priti Patel
1
2%
Sajid Javed
2
4%
Jacob Rees-Mogg
1
2%
Cock end
31
60%
 
Total votes: 52

AMS
Fuzzable
Posts: 286
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:14 pm

Next Tory Leader

Post by AMS » Sun May 24, 2020 8:51 pm

Seeing as Johnson's utterly f.cked it all up by defending Cummings when anyone can see he broke the self-isolation rules for people with Covid-19 symptoms, is it too early to start speculating who will replace Boris?

(Struggling to think of 10 poll options, given they purged all the credible moderates last year.)

AMS
Fuzzable
Posts: 286
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:14 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by AMS » Sun May 24, 2020 8:51 pm

Matt Hancock! How could I forget Matt Hancock?

User avatar
Little waster
Catbabel
Posts: 738
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:35 am
Location: About 1 inch behind my eyes

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by Little waster » Sun May 24, 2020 9:00 pm

I assume you've discounted Cummings on the basis he is already, for all intensive porpoises, the Tory leader.
Shamelessly recycling old jokes since 1952.

User avatar
Bird on a Fire
Stummy Beige
Posts: 3387
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Location: nadir of brie

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by Bird on a Fire » Sun May 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Might throw my hat in the ring.

Probably an outside candidate, but just possibly the breath of fresh air the Tories need right now (to reanimate the wizened cadavers that host their xenomorphs). Plus my presence in debates will help to shift the dialogue towards the centre ground.
Born at 356.32 ppm CO2 #ShowYourStripes

User avatar
bolo
Fuzzable
Posts: 352
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:17 pm
Location: Washington DC

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by bolo » Sun May 24, 2020 9:12 pm

I'm glad to see the obvious answer is leading in the poll.

geejaytee
Sindis Poop
Posts: 70
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:32 pm
Location: Colchester

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by geejaytee » Sun May 24, 2020 9:25 pm

bolo wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:12 pm
I'm glad to see the obvious answer is leading in the poll.
You can't lose by voting "Cock End" as it covers all the options, aside from Priti Patel, but she's next in line for Chancellor, given her head for figures.

User avatar
discovolante
After Pie
Posts: 1621
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:10 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by discovolante » Sun May 24, 2020 9:30 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:02 pm
Might throw my hat in the ring.

Probably an outside candidate, but just possibly the breath of fresh air the Tories need right now (to reanimate the wizened cadavers that host their xenomorphs). Plus my presence in debates will help to shift the dialogue towards the centre ground.
I thought the Mail was gunning for Gove?
don't get any big ideas, they're not gonna happen

Blackcountryboy
Sindis Poop
Posts: 84
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:44 pm
Location: Stourbridge

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by Blackcountryboy » Mon May 25, 2020 7:46 am

I have voted for Priti Patel, Priti facing Starmer at PMQ time would be good entertainment.

AMS
Fuzzable
Posts: 286
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:14 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by AMS » Mon May 25, 2020 8:01 am

Little waster wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:00 pm
I assume you've discounted Cummings on the basis he is already, for all intensive porpoises, the Tory leader.
Haha, good point.

But I was being serious, and so only listed current Tory MPs. Cummings' position is clearly untenable, but I also think Johnson's days are numbered. He will limp on for a while, but the UK's pandemic response has been botched in many ways, with the pattern repeating with contact tracing and the timing of schools readmissions. Johnson has burnt any remaining goodwill and every new thing that goes wrong will damage him further.

plodder
Catbabel
Posts: 839
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:50 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by plodder » Mon May 25, 2020 11:54 am

We saw with May that the limping can go on for some time, and she was running a minority government. Johnson is safe as houses.

User avatar
Bird on a Fire
Stummy Beige
Posts: 3387
Joined: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Location: nadir of brie

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon May 25, 2020 12:07 pm

plodder wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:54 am
We saw with May that the limping can go on for some time, and she was running a minority government. Johnson is safe as houses.
Running the party under such circumstances might be more attractive, though. I think May was partly protected by being in such a bad position.
Born at 356.32 ppm CO2 #ShowYourStripes

User avatar
JQH
Catbabel
Posts: 866
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:30 pm
Location: Sar Flandan

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by JQH » Mon May 25, 2020 12:32 pm

bolo wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:12 pm
I'm glad to see the obvious answer is leading in the poll.
Currently at 52% which I understand represents the overwhelming Will of the People and MUST NOT BE DENIED!
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.

Fintan O'Toole

User avatar
shpalman
After Pie
Posts: 1755
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:53 pm
Location: One step beyond

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by shpalman » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:28 pm

Cummings has given Johnson six months' notice
Johnson was still struggling badly after having coronavirus and would step down in six months, according to a report in the Times.

“If you put a horse back to work when it’s injured it will never recover”
They shoot horses don't they?
molto tricky

User avatar
shpalman
After Pie
Posts: 1755
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:53 pm
Location: One step beyond

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by shpalman » Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:32 am

molto tricky

User avatar
sTeamTraen
Catbabel
Posts: 728
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:24 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by sTeamTraen » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:07 am

There's over four years until the next general election, the government is dealing (probably badly, but that's not necessarily relevant) with a major pandemic, the economy has shrunk by double digits, and Tory MPs are allegedly panicking because they are only level-pegging with the opposition?

Something about this is bollocks, although without more information we can't tell if it's the reporting or the reaction of the MPs. For the moment I'm going to file it under silly season.
Careering along in my creosote car

User avatar
jimbob
Dorkwood
Posts: 1388
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by jimbob » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:24 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:07 am
There's over four years until the next general election, the government is dealing (probably badly, but that's not necessarily relevant) with a major pandemic, the economy has shrunk by double digits, and Tory MPs are allegedly panicking because they are only level-pegging with the opposition?

Something about this is bollocks, although without more information we can't tell if it's the reporting or the reaction of the MPs. For the moment I'm going to file it under silly season.
I can easily imagine that Johnson will stay on to "deliver" Brexit, and then will leave - hopefully taking a lot of the blame with him.

I can't see anyone else in the Conservative party wanting the poisoned chalice until that's over.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
jdc
Hilda Ogden
Posts: 501
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:31 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by jdc » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:56 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:07 am
There's over four years until the next general election, the government is dealing (probably badly, but that's not necessarily relevant) with a major pandemic, the economy has shrunk by double digits, and Tory MPs are allegedly panicking because they are only level-pegging with the opposition?

Something about this is bollocks, although without more information we can't tell if it's the reporting or the reaction of the MPs. For the moment I'm going to file it under silly season.
It reads to me that some Tory MPs are (a) a bit worried about the current fondness for u-turns and (b) pissed off that they're not being listened to. The opinion polling is presented in the main body of the article as an extra thing for the party to worry about on top of the u-turning and ignoring. It's only the headline and the intro where the upset and the poll seem to be linked.

User avatar
El Pollo Diablo
Dorkwood
Posts: 1235
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:41 pm
Location: FBPE

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:11 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:07 am
There's over four years until the next general election
There aren't. They won't hold a December general election next time.
Mike Patton wrote:"You overdo it sometimes. There I am, peeing on Axl Rose’s teleprompter." He looks rueful: "I didn’t really have to do that."

User avatar
lpm
After Pie
Posts: 1617
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:05 pm
Location: IMPEACH AND EXTERMINATE

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by lpm » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:58 am

It is on Thursday 2 May 2024, as per the fixed term law thing.
I'll miss him after he's died in the pandemic

User avatar
snoozeofreason
Stargoon
Posts: 137
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:22 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by snoozeofreason » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:36 am

I'm not sure that the fixed-term parliaments act will survive that long. I think the intention was to make it impossible for a government to call a snap election when it still had the confidence of parliament. The events of 2019 showed that it could also work the other way. In other words it could be used to compel a government remain in office even when it arguably did not have the confidence of parliament. I don't think any party is going to want a repeat of that situation.
In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them. The human body was knocked up pretty late on the Friday afternoon, with a deadline looming. How well do you expect it to work?

User avatar
individualmember
Fuzzable
Posts: 351
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:26 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by individualmember » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:01 pm

I think there won’t be a challenge to Johnson before christmas. Next year Johnson will be the face of whatever happens with Brexit in January, either a no deal shitstorm or a last minute bodge that kicks a load of difficult decisions into the future and would be seen as reneging on the kind of clean break that the quitters want. So Johnson could well chuck in the towel or be challenged in the spring. I reckon Gove is exactly the slimy backstabbing bastard to do it, plus he’s mates with Cummings as well...

User avatar
jimbob
Dorkwood
Posts: 1388
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by jimbob » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:39 pm

individualmember wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:01 pm
I think there won’t be a challenge to Johnson before christmas. Next year Johnson will be the face of whatever happens with Brexit in January, either a no deal shitstorm or a last minute bodge that kicks a load of difficult decisions into the future and would be seen as reneging on the kind of clean break that the quitters want. So Johnson could well chuck in the towel or be challenged in the spring. I reckon Gove is exactly the slimy backstabbing bastard to do it, plus he’s mates with Cummings as well...
yup
jimbob wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:24 am
sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:07 am
There's over four years until the next general election, the government is dealing (probably badly, but that's not necessarily relevant) with a major pandemic, the economy has shrunk by double digits, and Tory MPs are allegedly panicking because they are only level-pegging with the opposition?

Something about this is bollocks, although without more information we can't tell if it's the reporting or the reaction of the MPs. For the moment I'm going to file it under silly season.
I can easily imagine that Johnson will stay on to "deliver" Brexit, and then will leave - hopefully taking a lot of the blame with him.

I can't see anyone else in the Conservative party wanting the poisoned chalice until that's over.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

User avatar
El Pollo Diablo
Dorkwood
Posts: 1235
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:41 pm
Location: FBPE

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:13 pm

snoozeofreason wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:36 am
I'm not sure that the fixed-term parliaments act will survive that long. I think the intention was to make it impossible for a government to call a snap election when it still had the confidence of parliament. The events of 2019 showed that it could also work the other way. In other words it could be used to compel a government remain in office even when it arguably did not have the confidence of parliament. I don't think any party is going to want a repeat of that situation.
It's certainly been rumoured to be going - Johnson was frustrated that Corbyn held the cards on that matter last year, and we all know Johnson doesn't like any form of challenge or oversight or criticism. I mean, obviously, Corbyn chucked his cards in the shredder and then let his gerbil sh.t all over them and then through them into a fan where the sh.tty card shreds promptly blew back into his face and made a mess everywhere.

Sorry, I digress.

Point is, under either the FTPA or a scenario where it disappears, the next election will not be as late as December 2024. It will be only as late as May 2024.
Mike Patton wrote:"You overdo it sometimes. There I am, peeing on Axl Rose’s teleprompter." He looks rueful: "I didn’t really have to do that."

User avatar
sTeamTraen
Catbabel
Posts: 728
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:24 pm

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by sTeamTraen » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:54 pm

individualmember wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:01 pm
I reckon Gove is exactly the slimy backstabbing bastard to do it, plus he’s mates with Cummings as well...
I read (sorry, lost the link) an interesting article suggesting that Gove and Cummings are no longer mates. Not sure who shafted whom. Of course, in the world of Transactional People(tm) these alliances come and go, and may come back again. But at the moment, Johnson and Cummings are joined at the hip.
Careering along in my creosote car

User avatar
jimbob
Dorkwood
Posts: 1388
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Location: High Peak/Manchester

Re: Next Tory Leader

Post by jimbob » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:13 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:54 pm
individualmember wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:01 pm
I reckon Gove is exactly the slimy backstabbing bastard to do it, plus he’s mates with Cummings as well...
I read (sorry, lost the link) an interesting article suggesting that Gove and Cummings are no longer mates. Not sure who shafted whom. Of course, in the world of Transactional People(tm) these alliances come and go, and may come back again. But at the moment, Johnson and Cummings are joined at the hip.
I'd think Sunak would be the next choice. It's a traditional route, and he'd let Johnson take the blame...
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

Post Reply