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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Grumble » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:17 pm

jimbob wrote:
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Not a murder, merely an Ohio police chief retiring after a prank

https://t.co/OusP1ZEdfm?amp=1

because putting KKK stickers on a black subordinate's desk could in no way be considered harassment.
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Re: US police & murders of black men

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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Millennie Al » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:38 pm

Grumble wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:14 pm
Has everyone seen this?
https://www.wonkette.com/philly-cops-be ... -2-million
Why are these police not facing criminal convictions? Dismissal from their jobs is completely insufficient.

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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:47 pm

Millennie Al wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:38 pm
Grumble wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:14 pm
Has everyone seen this?
https://www.wonkette.com/philly-cops-be ... -2-million
Why are these police not facing criminal convictions? Dismissal from their jobs is completely insufficient.
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Post by jimbob » Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:32 pm

Yup - if you want a far more-comprehensive and eye-opening thread try this on internationalskeptics

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... p?t=351083
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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Woodchopper » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:43 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:01 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
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Minneapolis PD couldn't quite make it to the end of the trial without shooting another black man, this time apparently for the crime of re-entering his own vehicle during a traffic stop.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56714346
Apparently the officer meant to fire her taser but fired her gun by accident. <Sure_Jan.gif>


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The officer has been found guilty of first and second degree manslaughter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ou ... a-rcna9408

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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Fishnut » Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:24 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:43 am
sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:01 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:22 pm
Minneapolis PD couldn't quite make it to the end of the trial without shooting another black man, this time apparently for the crime of re-entering his own vehicle during a traffic stop.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56714346
Apparently the officer meant to fire her taser but fired her gun by accident. <Sure_Jan.gif>


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The officer has been found guilty of first and second degree manslaughter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ou ... a-rcna9408
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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:53 pm

Life without parole for Ahmaud Arbery's murderers.

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Post by Herainestold » Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:00 pm

I guess capital punishment is reserved for POC people.
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Post by monkey » Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:25 pm

Herainestold wrote:
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I guess capital punishment is reserved for POC people.
Here is a list of things you must be found guilty od to get a death sentence in Georgia: wiki clicky. I don't think these murdering c.nts did any of these. Closest is Aggravated Battery, but they were done for Aggravated Assault. So in this case, I don't think there was racism involved in the decision of the prosecutors not to seek it.


ETA emphasis on the 'in this case' bit. I am aware of racial disparities in the application of the death penalty.

Also, no one should get it, anyway.

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Post by Herainestold » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:02 pm

monkey wrote:
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Also, no one should get it, anyway.
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Post by shpalman » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:44 pm

Police sue rapper for invasion of privacy after they raided his home
Police officers who conducted a botched armed raid of rapper Afroman’s home last year have filed a lawsuit against him for invasion of privacy and emotional distress after he used footage of it in his music videos.
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Post by Al Capone Junior » Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:42 pm

Good observation, yes the fact that a substantial portion of the population is armed to the teeth does make US police take a much more combat oriented approach to their jobs. And who can blame them. I'd offer an educated guess that at least ,50% of domestic violence calls in Texas happen in a place where one or more guns are kept, often loaded, and rarely kept in a secure safe with trigger lock in place. Next add children and plenty of alcohol, speed, pain killers, and a variety of other drugs. Top off w8th volatile neighbors, also armed to the teeth.

Or it could be a call to a mass shooting. At a school. Again. Shooter has assault rifle. Again.

It must be terrifying for many cops when they get sent into these situations. I know I'm not assertive or patient or calm enough to deal with this kind of crap at all, let alone daily.

But having a hard but necessary job doesn't mean abuses of power are acceptable. All these unarmed folks who were not being violent should still be alive. But alas, as I've been saying for years...

Guns greatly increase the chances of people getting dead around you and of yourself getting dead.

Let's imagine out of 100,000 times any given person decides to break out their gun, how many of them are damn glad they did after the fact?

How many will be very satisfied with the situation that follows?

VS how many will regret it big time...?

I would wager over 99.9% would fall in that last regrettable category. They need this as a stat bc it would show just how much things don't work out like you fantasized they would, and you almost never emerge as the hero .usually you emerge dead or suffering from one or more major regrets that you can't erase.

Anyway I postulate that what I'm saying is very accurate. I might be wrong. But I'm probably not.

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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Imrael » Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:12 am

Al Capone Junior wrote:
Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:42 pm
.....

Anyway I postulate that what I'm saying is very accurate. I might be wrong. But I'm probably not.
This isnt exactly looking at the same question, plus is looks like a summary of a meta-analysis and over 10 years old. Its on the lines you suggest though

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Post by noggins » Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:08 pm

Al thats half the story.

The US police take a combative approach because they are undertrained and badly trained, and a combat ideology , peddled by bogus consultants, has taken root in many departments.

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Post by Martin_B » Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:31 pm

This story doesn't say whether the homeowner shot was black or not, but does highlight the combat-orientated approach of the US police.
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Post by Herainestold » Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:31 pm

Martin_B wrote:
Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:31 pm
This story doesn't say whether the homeowner shot was black or not, but does highlight the combat-orientated approach of the US police.
In New Mexico, so more likely Hispanic.
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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Brightonian » Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:38 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:31 pm
Martin_B wrote:
Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:31 pm
This story doesn't say whether the homeowner shot was black or not, but does highlight the combat-orientated approach of the US police.
In New Mexico, so more likely Hispanic.
No, white - Google the victim's name and look for the Daily Mail search result which has a photo.

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Post by Millennie Al » Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:09 am

It's easy to assume that a person shot dead by US police is black, but in fact in absolute terms they shoot more white people than black people, The US police shoot dead an absolutely appallingly large number of people. Working back from the year 2021/2022, in England and Wales, the police shot dead 2, 1, 3, 3, 4, 6, 3, 1, 0, 0, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5, 1, 5, 3 each year (from https://www.statista.com/statistics/319 ... and-wales/) for an average of 2.5/year. Scaled up to the population of the USA, that would be just over 14. But according to The Counted, American police shoot about 1000 per year, with about half of them white and about a quarter black. Racism makes black people between two and three times as likely to be victims of police shooting, but even the lower rate for white people is so high that any sensible nation would find it unacceptable. You'd expect black Americans to be rioting in the streets over this, but you'd also expect that they'd be joined by white Americans too.

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Post by Martin_B » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 am

Millennie Al wrote:
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,,. You'd expect black Americans to be rioting in the streets over this, but you'd also expect that they'd be joined by white Americans too.
If they rioted, they *would* get shot!
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Post by dyqik » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:09 am

Martin_B wrote:
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Millennie Al wrote:
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,,. You'd expect black Americans to be rioting in the streets over this, but you'd also expect that they'd be joined by white Americans too.
If they rioted, they *would* get shot!
By members of the public who went there to kill BLM protestors, and who would then get pardoned by GOP governors, or not even convicted due to racist laws.

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Post by Al Capone Junior » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:46 pm

Millennie Al wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:09 am
I any sensible nation would find it unacceptable
Ah, methinks this may be where the point of failure is found :roll: :roll:

Personally, a world where no people have any guns is just fine by me. I bet it would be a great place to not get shot! :mrgreen:

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Post by dyqik » Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:50 pm

Just another reminder that the Met aren't as bad as they could be. They could be American cops.

https://www.kxii.com/2023/04/17/mccurta ... g-meeting/

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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by Fishnut » Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:39 pm

dyqik wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:50 pm
Just another reminder that the Met aren't as bad as they could be. They could be American cops.

https://www.kxii.com/2023/04/17/mccurta ... g-meeting/
Holy f.ck

Completely by the by, but did they really censor 'damn'? Or is there another actually rude work in there that I'm just missing?
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Re: US police & murders of black men

Post by dyqik » Tue Apr 18, 2023 1:12 am

Fishnut wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:39 pm
dyqik wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:50 pm
Just another reminder that the Met aren't as bad as they could be. They could be American cops.

https://www.kxii.com/2023/04/17/mccurta ... g-meeting/
Holy f.ck

Completely by the by, but did they really censor 'damn'? Or is there another actually rude work in there that I'm just missing?
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