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Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:57 pm
by shpalman
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:04 pm
by jimbob
And don't forget that bodycam footage contradicted the initial police reports.
Should be perjury or obstruction of justice for the other cops who were witnesses as well
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:12 pm
by Bird on a Fire
jimbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:04 pm
And don't forget that bodycam footage contradicted the initial police reports.
Should be perjury or obstruction of justice for the other cops who were witnesses as well
Pretty much every time there's footage of any sort it seems to contradict the police report (see, e.g., the George Floyd report I posted
above).
You'd think that any conviction that rested substantially on the testimony of any proven-liar cop would immediately be unsafe and quashed - were there any justice.
But suffice to say I don't think police reports, at least in the US, a worth anything much as a source of accurate information.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:51 pm
by Fishnut
Fishnut wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:50 am
Verso Books have made the ebook of
The End of Policing by Alex Vitale free for an undisclosed length of time. I haven't finished reading it yet but what I have read has been truly eye-opening.
Following on from this,
Skeptics in the Pub Online tomorrow is with Alex Vitale at 7pm on
Twitch.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:58 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Fishnut wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:51 pm
Fishnut wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:50 am
Verso Books have made the ebook of
The End of Policing by Alex Vitale free for an undisclosed length of time. I haven't finished reading it yet but what I have read has been truly eye-opening.
Following on from this,
Skeptics in the Pub Online tomorrow is with Alex Vitale at 7pm on
Twitch.
Ooo very good, thanks.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:47 pm
by Matatouille
Alex Vitale is a week tomorrow, I'm afraid you'll have to wait a bit. Not on this topic but tomorrow is
Marianna Spring, the BBC's first disinformation and social media reporter, which should also be good
.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:50 pm
by Fishnut
Matatouille wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:47 pm
Alex Vitale is a week tomorrow, I'm afraid you'll have to wait a bit. Not on this topic but tomorrow is
Marianna Spring, the BBC's first disinformation and social media reporter, which should also be good
.
So it is. I don't know what's wrong with me, I keep thinking it's May already. I also thought it was Tuesday today. God I need to get some variety in my life, the monotony is destroying my sense of time.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:22 pm
by Matatouille
Fishnut wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:50 pm
So it is. I don't know what's wrong with me, I keep thinking it's May already. I also thought it was Tuesday today. God I need to get some variety in my life, the monotony is destroying my sense of time.
Its still last March to me!
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:23 pm
by Bird on a Fire
If it's any consolation I didn't notice the date either, and even put it in my calendar.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:53 am
by jimbob
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2021/4/2 ... ent-voting
Ex-Georgia deputy boasted of charging Black people with felonies to make sure they lost their vote
amongst other things
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 7:31 pm
by jimbob
https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/i ... g-database
Police in Phoenix invented a gang (ACAB) so they could add protestors to the state gang membership database and charge them with gang-related crimes.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 11:30 am
by dyqik
How many of the police are being charged with perjury?
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 12:03 pm
by jimbob
dyqik wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:30 am
How many of the police are being charged with perjury?
I don't know - but qualified immunity seems to be very common and is pretty much immunity without any qualifications for police officers on duty in many jurisdictions in the US
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
by IvanV
Let us not forget that in Britain, the courts used to believe the police's unlikely evidence more often than not until quite recently. Numerous cases where the police explained serious damage to the accused as self-inflicted was accepted by the court. The attitude of the establishment 40 years ago is well summed up by Lord Denning in his 1980 comments on the possibility of an appeal by the Birmingham Six.
'Just consider the course of events if their action were to proceed to trial ... If the six men failed it would mean that much time and money and worry would have been expended by many people to no good purpose. If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous. ... That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, "It cannot be right that these actions should go any further." '
Clearly things have changed for the better. But let us not forget how recent that is, and how hard fought.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:28 pm
by jimbob
IvanV wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Let us not forget that in Britain, the courts used to believe the police's unlikely evidence more often than not until quite recently. Numerous cases where the police explained serious damage to the accused as self-inflicted was accepted by the court. The attitude of the establishment 40 years ago is well summed up by Lord Denning in his 1980 comments on the possibility of an appeal by the Birmingham Six.
'Just consider the course of events if their action were to proceed to trial ... If the six men failed it would mean that much time and money and worry would have been expended by many people to no good purpose. If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous. ... That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, "It cannot be right that these actions should go any further." '
Clearly things have changed for the better. But let us not forget how recent that is, and how hard fought.
Indeed and don't forget the Daniel Morgan murder, which is incredibly bad looking for many parts of the Met
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:43 pm
by jimbob
Of course it wouldn't do to fire a police officer who was actually convicted of murder due to excessive force whilst on duty.
https://www.al.com/news/2021/05/whitmir ... still.html
Whilst putting those police officers who didn't shoot the murder victim on remedial training.
I don't know the race of the victim - but although US police shoot disproportionately high numbers of unarmed black men compared to other people they shoot, they also shoot lots of other people.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 1:30 am
by Millennie Al
Similar to when the officer who refused to kill got fired:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... es-lawsuit Again, another officer arrived and killed the guy. In that case the victime was black. In the Alabama case, he was white:
https://www.blackstarnews.com/us-politi ... e-man-with
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:13 pm
by jdc
Derek Chauvin gets 22-and-a-half years in jail for murdering George Floyd
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/de ... ar-AALs9ZI
The three other officers who encountered Mr Floyd that day are facing trial in August.
They and Chauvin also face federal charges of depriving Mr Floyd of his civil rights and a conviction carries a possible death sentence.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:42 pm
by Woodchopper
jdc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:13 pm
Derek Chauvin gets 22-and-a-half years in jail for murdering George Floyd
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/de ... ar-AALs9ZI
The three other officers who encountered Mr Floyd that day are facing trial in August.
They and Chauvin also face federal charges of depriving Mr Floyd of his civil rights and a conviction carries a possible death sentence.
Two years four months for every minute Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:41 pm
by bolo
Any bets on how long he'll survive in prison?
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:05 pm
by JQH
Maybe they'll keep him apart from the other cons. Otherwise not long.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:38 pm
by Grumble
JQH wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:05 pm
Maybe they'll keep him apart from the other cons. Otherwise not long.
He’ll be fine in with the other white nationalists.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:52 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Grumble wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:38 pm
JQH wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:05 pm
Maybe they'll keep him apart from the other cons. Otherwise not long.
He’ll be fine in with the other white nationalists.
I'm not sure he can remain a member of the police force while incarcerated.
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:20 pm
by Grumble
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:52 pm
Grumble wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:38 pm
JQH wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:05 pm
Maybe they'll keep him apart from the other cons. Otherwise not long.
He’ll be fine in with the other white nationalists.
I'm not sure he can remain a member of the police force while incarcerated.
Oof
Re: US police & murders of black men
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:49 am
by jimbob
Not a murder, merely an Ohio police chief retiring after a prank
https://t.co/OusP1ZEdfm?amp=1
because putting KKK stickers on a black subordinate's desk could in no way be considered harassment.