It's ok, he's doing it live and in person right now.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 pmI would be quite frankly surprised if the above were not true. Shame, I was hoping we'd get some blatant perjury.lpm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:03 pmTwitter is saying nice Mr Giuliani lied to the court in his submssion. He claims he is a member of the bar in Washington DC. But he has been suspended from the bar for not paying his subs.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:26 pm
I did mention this was going to be a shitshow, right? Guiliani wants to get involved in his first federal court case in nearly three decades.
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Adam Klasfeld is live tweeting it. Great thread to follow.
https://twitter.com/klasfeldreports/sta ... 87744?s=21
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El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:39 pmIt's like a Daily Express headlinediscovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:09 pmHeh, I like how Pennsylvania court orders start 'AND NOW'.
See with this, the AND NOW makes me think of deep dramatic voice cinema trailer, and 'Now comes the plaintiff' makes me think of a Western for some reason.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:16 pmIn some states they start with "Now comes the plaintiff".discovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:09 pmHeh, I like how Pennsylvania court orders start 'AND NOW'.
what i'm sure i posted this hours ago. Did I?
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World's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow
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I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.
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Ooh ooh! I can help with this! Yes it's bad.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pmI'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.
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Sounds like a variant of the Chewbacca defense. Unfortunately for Rudy, judges are probably more sensible than juries.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pmI'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.
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Meanwhile at the Pennsylvania state supreme court, the Tump campaign have lost their case re: observers.
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How is it when the big name TV talk-show "lawyer" parachuted in to plead at the last minute tries to hand 300 photos to the judge that weren't in the case file?discovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:38 pmOoh ooh! I can help with this! Yes it's bad.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pmI'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.
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Is that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:57 pmHow is it when the big name TV talk-show "lawyer" parachuted in to plead at the last minute tries to hand 300 photos to the judge that weren't in the case file?discovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:38 pmOoh ooh! I can help with this! Yes it's bad.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pmI'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure it's supposed to be a bad thing when a lawyer's spoken arguments bear no relation whatsoever to the written materials they have submitted.
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That’s $20,000 well spent. The best people, Donald. The best.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pmWorld's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow
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Certainly something I saw referenced, although I can't find the live-tweet of it now.discovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:06 pmIs that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.
Also, is it bad when the state Supreme Court rules that one of your complaints is about something that's perfectly legal under state law while you are pleading for the Federal Court to intervene, and the defendants cite it as precedent during their rebuttal?
Oh, and that one of the arguments for your case being dismissed is the legal principle of abstention - that the Federal Courts shouldn't rule while the case is outstanding before state courts.
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The thing about this post is that it could be recycled for so many situations over the last ten years and almost certainly useful for the future as you helpfully didn't specify what he was involved in *this time*EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pmWorld's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow
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Reduce, reuse, recycle.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:20 pmThe thing about this post is that it could be recycled for so many situations over the last ten years and almost certainly useful for the future as you helpfully didn't specify what he was involved in *this time*EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pmWorld's least surprising news: Giuliani's involvement is a complete and utter shitshow
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Ah, here we are: https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/stat ... 12481?s=20dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:16 pmCertainly something I saw referenced, although I can't find the live-tweet of it now.discovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:06 pmIs that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.
It's worth following the thread for the comedy of this. And to see if Rudy gets disbarred for it.
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FFS! That sounded like a courtroom drama film written by those two writers from those Mitchell & Webb sketches, who are too lazy to do any research.dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:35 pmAh, here we are: https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/stat ... 12481?s=20dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:16 pmCertainly something I saw referenced, although I can't find the live-tweet of it now.discovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:06 pm
Is that something that really happened? I mean you would probably start by apologising profusely, which I am sure will come as a surprise to nobody.
It's worth following the thread for the comedy of this. And to see if Rudy gets disbarred for it.
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It's still going. Rudy is trying to answer a legal question about precedent from the judge by having someone* talk in court as a witness about a case where he (the someone) was a plaintiff.
* Another lawyer on the case.
* Another lawyer on the case.
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At what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?
*I think the term was coined by Greg Doucette to describe the inept legal efforts of former Funimation/Rooster Teeth voice actor and exposed predator Vic Mignona
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Probably for most people ylthe moment they realised that Rudy Giuliani was the best that Trump hadEACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:10 pmAt what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?
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At the point Giuliani stood up?EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:10 pmAt what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?
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Meanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit, Michigan) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.
If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.
And without Detroit area votes, Trump likely wins Michigan.
If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.
And without Detroit area votes, Trump likely wins Michigan.
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And if that didn't do it, Giuliani not understand the concept of review standards is a pretty good moment.jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:23 pmProbably for most people ylthe moment they realised that Rudy Giuliani was the best that Trump hadEACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:10 pmAt what point does this stop being a lawsuit and start being a lolsuit*?
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FFS this is ridiculous. At what point can they be taken to court to order certification?dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 pmMeanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.
If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.
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The state's deadline for certification is Dec 13th. The Federal safe harbor date by which electors need to be certified is Dec 8th.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:41 pmFFS this is ridiculous. At what point can they be taken to court to order certification?dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 pmMeanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.
If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.
So there's a play being made here to not certify Michigan's results, and ignore the election results there to appoint Trump electors.
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It's a ploy that's been rejected by GOP majority leaders in a number of states, though, including Michigan. It also raises a hell of a lot of questions. For starters, appointing new electors would almost certainly need legislation to alter the electoral code of Michigan, and I can't see that getting past the veto of Gov. Whitmer.dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:57 pmThe state's deadline for certification is Dec 13th. The Federal safe harbor date by which electors need to be certified is Dec 8th.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:41 pmFFS this is ridiculous. At what point can they be taken to court to order certification?dyqik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 pmMeanwhile, the Wayne county (Detroit) board of elections is deadlocked on certifying their votes. It's a board with two Democrats and two Republicans that have to sign off on the vote totals.
If they can't decide, then it goes to the state board. Which is also 2D and 2R, with the wife of one of the Rs a plaintiff in one of the dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits.
So there's a play being made here to not certify Michigan's results, and ignore the election results there to appoint Trump electors.