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Re: US Election
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:37 pm
by FlammableFlower
Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 pm
Odds on tweetstorm later decrying Fox News as deep state antifa and directing the faithful to OANN for their fair and balanced news...
More than likely.
Also, he now says he takes responsibility for everything. I hope Biden uses that quote repeatedly
Re: US Election
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:37 pm
by dyqik
Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 pm
Odds on tweetstorm later decrying Fox News as deep state antifa and directing the faithful to OANN for their fair and balanced news...
Related to the Fox New polls showing Trump down 8 points (remember, Fox News polls are reputable and generally pretty neutral), that poll also found his approval rating as only a net -8 points, vs the current 538 average of -15 points. Doesn't mean the poll is wrong, but does show how it fits into the averages.
Re: US Election
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:45 pm
by FlammableFlower
In an interview with Fox News Sunday recorded at the White House on Friday, Trump said “I’m not losing, because those are fake polls” and refused to say if he would accept the result if Biden won in November.
“I have to see,” Trump said. “I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time either.”
That bodes well...
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:59 am
by Herainestold
That assumes Trump will allow elections to take place. Covid is a national emergency and the prefect excuse to cancel elections.
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:16 am
by headshot
Trump has no power to cancel the election. If somehow the electoral college fails to vote, he still stop being president on 20th January. Then it goes through the line of succession which would probably put Pelosi in the Oval Office.
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 am
by Grumble
Wouldn’t claiming that the cognitive test he took was easy make it sound like he’s more cognitively able? By saying the last 5 questions were hard just makes it sound like he struggled.
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:29 am
by lpm
Don't forget, you're not allowed to use a calculator for the 100 minus 7 question. I've been giving it some thought and reckon it's 93 but would be interested to hear the views of others.
The animal with a trunk is an elephant, google it.
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:44 am
by headshot
lpm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:29 am
Don't forget, you're not allowed to use a calculator for the 100 minus 7 question. I've been giving it some thought and reckon it's 93 but would be interested to hear the views of others.
The animal with a trunk is an elephant, google it.
Wasn't it count down from 100 in 7s?
Not very hard, but a lot harder than 100 minus 7.
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 pm
by lpm
I note you brag that it's "not very hard" but do not provide any answers. Coming across as boasting, to be honest.
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:41 pm
by Bird on a Fire
There were example questions on an article I saw, can't remember where.
I think it's multiple choice.
There are people who don't have cognitive dysfunction who nevertheless struggle with mental arithmetic, so they've presumably designed the test to get around that issue.
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:02 pm
by Little waster
lpm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:29 am
Don't forget, you're not allowed to use a calculator for the 100 minus 7 question. I've been giving it some thought and reckon it's 93 but would be interested to hear the views of others.
Suck it up Libtard, Trump knows all the the sums, he has has all the best sums, big sums, ocean sums, more and more people are saying it.
Here he is showing his absolute mastery about knowing all the knowledge about the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic which happened in 1918, though not many people know it and some have only just learnt it.
“Who would have thought? 1917. It could have been up to 100 million people were killed in — that was the Spanish flu — 1917 Who would have thought this was going to happen? That’s .... *POTUS goes silent for a second, face scrunched up in intense concentration, lips moving soundlessly, tiny pudgy baby fingers counting off each other* ... over 100 years ago.”
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:40 pm
by Woodchopper
A good summary of the long history of anti-science beliefs among republicans and how it led to the Covid crisis.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07 ... virus.html
Re: US Election
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:01 pm
by FlammableFlower
As an aside, doesn't this sound a bit like Brexit if you swap EU for New Deal and Conservative for Republican...? (perhaps this should be continued in a separate thread...):
This is the conventional history of right-wing populism — that it was a postwar backlash against the New Deal and the Republican Party’s inability or unwillingness to roll it back. The movement believed the government had been subverted, perhaps consciously, by conspirators seeking to impose some form of socialism, communism, or world government. Its “paranoid style,” so described by historian Richard Hofstadter, became warped with anti-intellectualism, reflecting a “conflict between businessmen of certain types and the New Deal bureaucracy, which has spilled over into a resentment of intellectuals and experts.” Its followers seemed prone to “a disorder in relation to authority, characterized by an inability to find other modes for human relationship than those of more or less complete domination or submission.” Perhaps this sounds like someone you’ve heard of.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:03 am
by El Pollo Diablo
Looks like trump has finally started taking coronavirus seriously. I wonder if he'll recover any polling as a result?
Latest polls show him down 4-5 points in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:33 am
by lpm
Ohio has been a swing state for a long time. But it showed a huge swing in 2016. Obama won by 5 in 2008 and 3 in 2012, Clinton lost by 8 in 2016.
Definitely can be reclaimed.
Iowa had the biggest turnaround - much more Trumpy than average (Obama by 6 in 2012, Trump by 9 in 2016). Wisconsin (+7 to -1) and Maine (+15 to +3) also swung significantly more than average.
Nice little chart:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... shift.html
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:15 pm
by dyqik
El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:03 am
Looks like trump has finally started taking coronavirus seriously. I wonder if he'll recover any polling as a result?
Latest polls show him down 4-5 points in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
And down 1 point in Texas.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:33 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Is anyone else at least mildly worried about the planned rollout of an army of anonymous masked men with a lot of weapons who are fanatically loyal to Trump in the context of this election and Trump's obvious impending loss?
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:35 pm
by FlammableFlower
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:33 pm
Is anyone else at least mildly worried about the planned rollout of an army of anonymous masked men with a lot of weapons who are fanatically loyal to Trump in the context of this election and Trump's obvious impending loss?
I might quibble about the term "trump fanatics", but they're highly militaristic (but not military), have no links to the communities they're being sent to and therefore no stake in them and highly unlikely not too obey orders that are given by people who only want to see one outcome and that is the crushing of opposition by force (they want to send a message about being big and strong). So, it's splitting hairs, but it comes to the same thing... especially when you're in the receiving end of the tear gas or being bundled into unmarked vans.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:56 pm
by jimbob
Grumble wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 am
Wouldn’t claiming that the cognitive test he took was easy make it sound like he’s more cognitively able? By saying the last 5 questions were hard just makes it sound like he struggled.
That needs the ability to reflect and realise that other people see the world differently from you.
He couldn't manage that even before his dementia was obvious, as he's too self-obsessed.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:36 am
by lpm
Person
Woman
Man
Oh I give up this is too hard how can anyone remember all these words
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:14 am
by headshot
lpm wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:36 am
Person
Woman
Man
Oh I give up this is too hard how can anyone remember all these words
He literally just named what he could see.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:38 am
by Little waster
For anyone playing along at home the last 5 (well 6) questions on the
Montreal Cognitive Assessment test are:-
What is today's date (3 points, date/month/year)
What day of the week is it?
Where are you?
What city are you in?
I’ll bet you couldn’t even answer the last five* questions. I’ll bet you couldn’t, they get very hard, the last five* questions.
*Or six, whatever.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:59 am
by lpm
I had a go at these. I looked up the answers online. Somebody else says the answers are completely different to mine. I only got "July" and "2020" right.
Harder than it looks.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:01 pm
by dyqik
It also seems that the doctor than administered this test was Ronny Jackson. Who stopped being Trump's doctor in 2018.
Which raises the question of when exactly did Trump take this test he's boasting about.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:04 pm
by bjn
lpm wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:59 am
I had a go at these. I looked up the answers online. Somebody else says the answers are completely different to mine. I only got "July" and "2020" right.
Harder than it looks.
I blame the Groundhog Day like nature of our current existence to my not even knowing what century we are in.