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Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:11 pm
by EACLucifer
AND NOW the Giuliani lolsuit has had its evidenciary hearing, which was due tomorrow, cancelled by Judge Brann. I don't think this bodes well for the lolsuit, and Id be unsurprised if it were found they lack standing, especially given how badly Giuliani handled the standing part of it. Really, the only bit he got worse was asking for "the normal" standard of review, then snapping "that doesn't sound rational" after rational basis review was explained to him.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:00 pm
by Grumble
Lolsuit
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Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:37 pm
by EACLucifer
Grumble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:00 pm
Lolsuit
9687AFE9-68FF-432D-9540-DCE5CFF70B8F.jpeg
Is this even the same lawsuit? I'm struggling to keep track off all of them, and most are bluster using the same dodgy, doomed arguments.
I note, btw, that in the lolsuit Giuliani was involved in yesterday, the Judge was firmly of the opinion the plaintiffs were suing the wrong defendants. Again, not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that being a good sign for the plaintiffs.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:30 pm
by EACLucifer
Another lolsuit incoming, this one in Georgia (or George, or Georiga, as Trumpists have been spelling it lately). For those not in the know, Lin Wood is not the most hinged of fellows.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:50 pm
by Woodchopper
You can all laugh but according to this poll 70% of Republicans think that Biden’s win was due to fraud.
https://twitter.com/akarl_smith/status/ ... 73440?s=21
Seems to be the same as the last four years. Lots of people laughing at what is actually a successful strategy to influence millions of voters.
I’ll bet that for years to come, pretty much anyone wanting to get elected as a Republican will have to state that Trump was cheated out of victory by Biden, and that Biden is not a legitimate President. Trump will be out of the Whitehouse but Trumpism goes on.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:54 pm
by Grumble
EACLucifer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:37 pm
Grumble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:00 pm
Lolsuit
9687AFE9-68FF-432D-9540-DCE5CFF70B8F.jpeg
Is this even the same lawsuit? I'm struggling to keep track off all of them, and most are bluster using the same dodgy, doomed arguments.
I note, btw, that in the lolsuit Giuliani was involved in yesterday, the Judge was firmly of the opinion the plaintiffs were suing the wrong defendants. Again, not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that being a good sign for the plaintiffs.
No, I don’t think it is the same one.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:01 pm
by EACLucifer
Grumble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:54 pm
EACLucifer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:37 pm
Grumble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:00 pm
Lolsuit
9687AFE9-68FF-432D-9540-DCE5CFF70B8F.jpeg
Is this even the same lawsuit? I'm struggling to keep track off all of them, and most are bluster using the same dodgy, doomed arguments.
I note, btw, that in the lolsuit Giuliani was involved in yesterday, the Judge was firmly of the opinion the plaintiffs were suing the wrong defendants. Again, not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that being a good sign for the plaintiffs.
No, I don’t think it is the same one.
The disparity between claims made by the lawyers in front of the judge and claims made by the campaign to the press still qualifies it as a lolsuit, though.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:04 pm
by EACLucifer
For those wondering about how incompetent and how evil the Trump campaign is, this is from the Pennsylvania federal lolsuit with Giuliani
Though it's very telling that every one of their attacks on a city in particular (Philadelphia, Detroit, etc) is on a city with a majority - or very large minority - of black voters. Very telling.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:35 pm
by AMS
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:50 pm
You can all laugh but according to this poll 70% of Republicans think that Biden’s win was due to fraud.
https://twitter.com/akarl_smith/status/ ... 73440?s=21
Seems to be the same as the last four years. Lots of people laughing at what is actually a successful strategy to influence millions of voters.
I’ll bet that for years to come, pretty much anyone wanting to get elected as a Republican will have to state that Trump was cheated out of victory by Biden, and that Biden is not a legitimate President. Trump will be out of the Whitehouse but Trumpism goes on.
It's pretty scary stuff. The only hope is that a solid majority are appalled by this nonsense, as it's hard to see how anyone can neutral on this. (Also interesting that this mob seems to have turned on Fox News.)
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:02 pm
by bjn
My hope is that this somehow splits the utter right wing crazies off from the normal rightwing crazies and the right can fight itself for a while. Trump TV vs FoxNEWs would be interesting, or could just push Fox off into utter crazy.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:29 pm
by sTeamTraen
In Pennsylvania it's COME NOW, and the (male) lawyers get "Esq." after their names.
Re: US Election
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:40 pm
by AMS
It feels like WHAT NOW? would fit better in this case.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:05 am
by Gfamily
AMS wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:40 pm
It feels like
WHAT NOW? would fit better in this case.
I prefer the way that Beowulf starts
"Hwæt!"
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:12 am
by bolo
Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:44 am
by dyqik
Is it bad if you put the judge's signature on an order you've just submitted before he rules on it?
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:50 am
by bolo
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:12 am
Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.
I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:44 am
by Woodchopper
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:50 am
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:12 am
Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.
I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.
And Wyld Stallyns.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:17 am
by Little waster
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:44 am
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:50 am
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:12 am
Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.
I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.
And Wyld Stallyns.
Presumably their use of it was “bogus”.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:00 am
by FlammableFlower
“In the plaintiffs’ counties, they were denied the opportunity to have an unobstructed observation and ensure opacity,” Giuliani said. “I’m not quite sure I know what opacity means. It probably means you can see, right?”
“It means you can’t,” said U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann.
“Big words, your honor,” Giuliani said.
Oh wow And later:
And while still in court, Giuliani retweeted someone who said he did a great job in his opening remarks.
ETA: It does look like Trump's plan is to run down the clock and try to get electors picked that would have otherwise gone with the popular vote in that county/district.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:47 am
by Bewildered
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:44 am
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:50 am
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:12 am
Esq. after your name means "lawyer" throughout the US. It's not used for anyone else.
I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.
And Wyld Stallyns.
That’s exactly what popped into my head when reading...
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:36 am
by jimbob
Bewildered wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:47 am
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:44 am
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:50 am
I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.
And Wyld Stallyns.
That’s exactly what popped into my head when reading...
TBF, Wyld Stallyns would probably have more legal competence than Rudy.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:45 am
by Woodchopper
Bewildered wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:47 am
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:44 am
bolo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:50 am
I should have added that it is also used for female lawyers.
And Wyld Stallyns.
That’s exactly what popped into my head when reading...
I expect we're both of a certain age.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:54 am
by Allo V Psycho
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:50 pm
You can all laugh but according to this poll 70% of Republicans think that Biden’s win was due to fraud.
https://twitter.com/akarl_smith/status/ ... 73440?s=21
Seems to be the same as the last four years. Lots of people laughing at what is actually a successful strategy to influence millions of voters.
I’ll bet that for years to come, pretty much anyone wanting to get elected as a Republican will have to state that Trump was cheated out of victory by Biden, and that Biden is not a legitimate President. Trump will be out of the Whitehouse but Trumpism goes on.
This article summarises exactly what I've been fearing, along these lines. And I think is well written.
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/1 ... afterlife/
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:47 pm
by dyqik
And now they are trying to withdraw their certification again.
Re: US Election
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:32 pm
by EACLucifer
dyqik wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:47 pm
And now they are trying to withdraw their certification again.
One of them is now facing campaign finance and ethics complaints, the former of which could lead to jail time.