Scrutable

dyqik wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:33 am

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:56 pm

bjn wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:02 pm

My hope is that this somehow splits the utter right wing crazies off from the normal rightwing crazies and the right can fight itself for a while. Trump TV vs FoxNEWs would be interesting, or could just push Fox off into utter crazy.

Some republicans likely to face utter lunatics in their primaries. May struggle if utter lunatics follow behaviour current republicans are tacitly supporting with Trump and do not concede after primary defeat.

They could always try to support popular policies that the majority of the general electorate want...

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:39 am

Even Tucker Carlson wouldn't go along with the most extreme claims from today's press-conference-shitshow, apparently he would have been happy to dedicate his entire hour long program to their complaints if they shared evidence with him, but when he asked to actually see evidence, they told him to go away and stop talking to them.

PeteB wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:16 am

Black Dyes matter

Rich Scopie wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:20 pm

PeteB wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:16 am

Black Dyes matter

I saw the photos and thought he'd just opened the Ark of the Covenant.

Rich Scopie wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:20 pm

PeteB wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:16 am

Black Dyes matter

I saw the photos and thought he'd just opened the Ark of the Covenant.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:05 pm

Trump's asked a couple of senior Michigan republicans to meet him at the White House. This comes after he spoke with the those two racist shits who tried to block Wayne county certification, which seems to have been the reason they are now trying to take that certification back.

I don't think there's any chance an attempt to replace Michigan's electors succeeds. It goes against the constitution, specifically that while states can decide how to apportion their electors, they already decided to give them all to the state popular vote winner and can't change that retroactively. It also relies on legislation being passed, and the governor of Michigan has stronger veto powers over the Michigan legislature than the POTUS does over Congress. She's a Democrat, and hardly going to be tolerant of Trumpist antics given he incited a - thankfully foiled - plot to abduct and murder her by a Trump cultist militia.

But the damage caused by trying it is likely to be enormous.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:44 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:05 pm

Trump's asked a couple of senior Michigan republicans to meet him at the White House. This comes after he spoke with the those two racist shits who tried to block Wayne county certification, which seems to have been the reason they are now trying to take that certification back.

I don't think there's any chance an attempt to replace Michigan's electors succeeds. It goes against the constitution, specifically that while states can decide how to apportion their electors, they already decided to give them all to the state popular vote winner and can't change that retroactively. It also relies on legislation being passed, and the governor of Michigan has stronger veto powers over the Michigan legislature than the POTUS does over Congress. She's a Democrat, and hardly going to be tolerant of Trumpist antics given he incited a - thankfully foiled - plot to abduct and murder her by a Trump cultist militia.

But the damage caused by trying it is likely to be enormous.

The other problem is that all the legislature can do is try to send a competing slate of electors to Congress. However, the House and the Senate vote separately (under normal majority rules) on which ones to accept, and if they deadlock over a slate, the Governor's choice breaks the tie.

Isaac Saul
@Ike_Saul
OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*

They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.

jimbob wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pm

If this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870

Isaac Saul
@Ike_Saul
OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*

They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pm

If this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870

Isaac Saul
@Ike_Saul
OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*

They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.

They also claim that Minnesota townships where the number of votes exceeded the voter registration numbers at the start of the day are suspicious.

Minnesota has same day voter registration, where you can register to vote and vote with one visit to a polling location. And it regularly exceeds 80% turnout statewide, so you'd expect this in high turnout elections like this one.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:08 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pm

If this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870

This really does appear to be the case. "Expert" in question was from Texas, but this is about on the level of someone from Surrey thinking Blackburn is part of Yorkshire*.

They also claim that Minnesota townships where the number of votes exceeded the voter registration numbers at the start of the day are suspicious.

Minnesota has same day voter registration, where you can register to vote and vote with one visit to a polling location. And it regularly exceeds 80% turnout statewide, so you'd expect this in high turnout elections like this one.

And turnout was if anything highest in very red counties.

Under Michigan law, any member of the Legislature who “corruptly” accepts a promise of some beneficial act in return for exercising his authority in a certain way is “forever disqualified to hold any public office” and “shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years[.]”

dyqik wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:48 pm

If this is the case - it's even more of a clown show than I thought
https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1329799212091940870

Isaac Saul
@Ike_Saul
OMG. Trump's lawyers filed an affidavit claiming statistical irregularities proving election fraud because they *confused Michigan for Minnesota*

They thought "MI" = Minnesota (it's MN), and then compared a bunch of results in Minnesota to Michigan population statistics.

They also claim that Minnesota townships where the number of votes exceeded the voter registration numbers at the start of the day are suspicious.

Minnesota has same day voter registration, where you can register to vote and vote with one visit to a polling location. And it regularly exceeds 80% turnout statewide, so you'd expect this in high turnout elections like this one.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:46 pm

FURTHER to my comments regarding Michigan legislators flying to meet Trump at the White House, Politico covers it in some detail.

The two individuals - State Senator Mike Shirkey and State Rep Lee Chatfield - really want to strongly consider not doing this

Under Michigan law, any member of the Legislature who “corruptly” accepts a promise of some beneficial act in return for exercising his authority in a certain way is “forever disqualified to hold any public office” and “shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years[.]”

The only leverage Trump really has is bribery - political spending that favours their re-elections, appointment to office in event he does steal the election, direct payment etc. Given that Michigan law appears to be quite clear, Trump cannot intervene, have his corrupted DOJ intervene, or even claim executive privilige when talking to men who have nothing to do with his cabinet, it would not be a wise move to attend. Any decision made in Trump's favour after such a meeting will invite investigation at state level, where Trump can't intervene, and even just the investigation will tarnish their reputation in the eyes of Michiganders.

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:10 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:46 pm

FURTHER to my comments regarding Michigan legislators flying to meet Trump at the White House, Politico covers it in some detail.

The two individuals - State Senator Mike Shirkey and State Rep Lee Chatfield - really want to strongly consider not doing this

Under Michigan law, any member of the Legislature who “corruptly” accepts a promise of some beneficial act in return for exercising his authority in a certain way is “forever disqualified to hold any public office” and “shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years[.]”

The only leverage Trump really has is bribery - political spending that favours their re-elections, appointment to office in event he does steal the election, direct payment etc. Given that Michigan law appears to be quite clear, Trump cannot intervene, have his corrupted DOJ intervene, or even claim executive privilige when talking to men who have nothing to do with his cabinet, it would not be a wise move to attend. Any decision made in Trump's favour after such a meeting will invite investigation at state level, where Trump can't intervene, and even just the investigation will tarnish their reputation in the eyes of Michiganders.

The US system is so irredeemably corrupt that this may well work. Crank up the noise to 11, use bribery on state officials, and keep the presidency.
Nobody would have thought it possible until Trump.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:22 pm

Compared to the sh.t you promote - vile scum like Xi Jinping selected by a self-serving, unrepresentative group and enaging in totalitarian oppression, censorship and wholesale destruction of minorities - it's an extremely good system. Flawed though America's system is, China's system for selecting government isn't fit to lick dirt from the soles of the American system's shoes.

Now f.ck off, unless you are willing to respond to the numerous challenges you have faced over promoting a regime making a concerted effort to destroy its cultural minorities by means of concentration camps, destruction of cultural sites, etc.

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:30 pm

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:22 pm

Compared to the sh.t you promote - vile scum like Xi Jinping selected by a self-serving, unrepresentative group and enaging in totalitarian oppression, censorship and wholesale destruction of minorities - it's an extremely good system. Flawed though America's system is, China's system for selecting government isn't fit to lick dirt from the soles of the American system's shoes.

Now f.ck off, unless you are willing to respond to the numerous challenges you have faced over promoting a regime making a concerted effort to destroy its cultural minorities by means of concentration camps, destruction of cultural sites, etc.

Glad to see you're feeling better Lucifer.