Re: US Election
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:02 pm
Ah right, the various degrees of cuntishness are hard to distinguish.
Ah right, the various degrees of cuntishness are hard to distinguish.
Although that's just the allegations that have come to light thus far.Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:02 pmAh right, the various degrees of cuntishness are hard to distinguish.
How many people who complain that American politics is dominated by big business donations will take that into consideration?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:24 pm55% of Trump's money is from small contributions (<$200), compared with only 43% of Biden's.
Those numbers aren't very relevant to that debate. Campaign finance laws mean that big business or billionaires don't donate large sums to the individual Trump or Biden campaigns. The big money is going to Political Action Committees which then spend it on ads etc.Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 amHow many people who complain that American politics is dominated by big business donations will take that into consideration?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:24 pm55% of Trump's money is from small contributions (<$200), compared with only 43% of Biden's.
Isn't there also a scam whereby a big company can donate a large amount without it being marked down to them by claiming it's donated by all their employees.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:48 amThose numbers aren't very relevant to that debate. Campaign finance laws mean that big business or billionaires don't donate large sums to the individual Trump or Biden campaigns. The big money is going to Political Action Committees which then spend it on ads etc.Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 amHow many people who complain that American politics is dominated by big business donations will take that into consideration?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:24 pm55% of Trump's money is from small contributions (<$200), compared with only 43% of Biden's.
I feel a bit sorry for the intern who was given half an hour to produce it.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:50 amJust how lazy/incompetent is Trump's campaign team - using Russian military images in their campaign material.
I do wonder if it was deliberateWoodchopper wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:10 amI feel a bit sorry for the intern who was given half an hour to produce it.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:50 amJust how lazy/incompetent is Trump's campaign team - using Russian military images in their campaign material.
You could get a full tin-foil/swivel-eyed conspiracy theory going over there being deep-state agents embedded in the Trump campaign to wreck his presidential bid...jimbob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:19 amI do wonder if it was deliberateWoodchopper wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:10 amI feel a bit sorry for the intern who was given half an hour to produce it.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:50 amJust how lazy/incompetent is Trump's campaign team - using Russian military images in their campaign material.
Washington Post wrote:Teenagers, some of them minors, are being paid to pump out the messages at the direction of Turning Point Action, an affiliate of Turning Point USA, the prominent conservative youth organization based in Phoenix, according to four people with independent knowledge of the effort. Their descriptions were confirmed by detailed notes from relatives of one of the teenagers who recorded conversations with him about the efforts.
The campaign draws on the spam-like behavior of bots and trolls, with the same or similar language posted repeatedly across social media. But it is carried out, at least in part, by humans paid to use their own accounts, though nowhere disclosing their relationship with Turning Point Action or the digital firm brought in to oversee the day-to-day activity. One user included a link to Turning Point USA’s website in his Twitter profile until The Washington Post began asking questions about the activity.
The only tactic is to give people who aren't thinking catchphrases to scream at people who ask why they are supporting Trump.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:21 amWhat befuddles me, and there must be a logic behind somewhere, is that Trump and his campaign seem to spend a lot of time campaigning as if he's not the incumbent.
They've taken the protests that turned violent and then tell people that "this is what it'll be like under Biden"... except that's how it is now. It's made worse by them stealing images and video from non-US violent protests and police/protester clashes.
Now, at an ABC "town hall" Trump berates Biden for not implementing a federal mandate that people wear masks.... WTF?!? That's your job Donald. Biden has repeatedly given out the message for people to wear masks. You're angry because he isn't doing your job for you?
Part of the reason is that the Trump movement, like Brexit and any other millennial death cult, only work if they are a minority, because the whole theology behind them is that they are fighting a righteous war against an evil oppressor. Finding themselves in power almost always causes problems because the doctrine relies on the fact that other, evil people, are responsible for bad things. There is always somebody working behind the scenes to frustrate the righteous, because if there isn't, then the whole theology falls to pieces.FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:21 amWhat befuddles me, and there must be a logic behind somewhere, is that Trump and his campaign seem to spend a lot of time campaigning as if he's not the incumbent.
They've taken the protests that turned violent and then tell people that "this is what it'll be like under Biden"... except that's how it is now. It's made worse by them stealing images and video from non-US violent protests and police/protester clashes.
Now, at an ABC "town hall" Trump berates Biden for not implementing a federal mandate that people wear masks.... WTF?!? That's your job Donald. Biden has repeatedly given out the message for people to wear masks. You're angry because he isn't doing your job for you?
That fits completely with Trump's (and his supporters') Deep State theories. Also nothing can be his/their fault.warumich wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:18 pmPart of the reason is that the Trump movement, like Brexit and any other millennial death cult, only work if they are a minority, because the whole theology behind them is that they are fighting a righteous war against an evil oppressor. Finding themselves in power almost always causes problems because the doctrine relies on the fact that other, evil people, are responsible for bad things. There is always somebody working behind the scenes to frustrate the righteous, because if there isn't, then the whole theology falls to pieces.
Trump supporters, Brexit nutters, national socialists, khmer rouge, are not able to see themselves as being in power even when they are because that would negate everything they believe. They must be permanent victims in order to hold fast to their identity, and therefore their time in power is characterised as a long struggle against the real hidden powers that constrain them from bringing about the millennial kingdom.
There is tons of sociological research on this, which is all rather worrying.
It also rather makes me think of Brexiteers' kneejerk reaction to any criticism of the unfolding fiasco; it's basically still "they're trying to stop Brexit" when it needs to be "holy sh.t, nothing is going to stop Brexit, maybe we ought to pull our thumb out our bum and actually do something". The mentality is they're the underdog who wants to Take Back Control when the reality is they've been in control for quite a while now and the cliff edge is fast approaching. (soz for off-topic but I thought it an interesting parallel)FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:27 pmThat fits completely with Trump's (and his supporters') Deep State theories. Also nothing can be his/their fault.warumich wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:18 pmPart of the reason is that the Trump movement, like Brexit and any other millennial death cult, only work if they are a minority, because the whole theology behind them is that they are fighting a righteous war against an evil oppressor. Finding themselves in power almost always causes problems because the doctrine relies on the fact that other, evil people, are responsible for bad things. There is always somebody working behind the scenes to frustrate the righteous, because if there isn't, then the whole theology falls to pieces.
Trump supporters, Brexit nutters, national socialists, khmer rouge, are not able to see themselves as being in power even when they are because that would negate everything they believe. They must be permanent victims in order to hold fast to their identity, and therefore their time in power is characterised as a long struggle against the real hidden powers that constrain them from bringing about the millennial kingdom.
There is tons of sociological research on this, which is all rather worrying.
I hadn't realised/twigged there were so many historical examples and that none of them are pleasant...