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I'd quite like him to remain alive to see himself and his family get imprisoned as well. That'd be nice.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:47 am

I'd quite like him to remain alive to see himself and his family get imprisoned as well. That'd be nice.

Yes, it would be great if he gets to realise the whole world sees him as a pathetic loser.

JQH wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:59 am

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:47 am

I'd quite like him to remain alive to see himself and his family get imprisoned as well. That'd be nice.

Yes, it would be great if he gets to realise the whole world sees him as a pathetic loser.

Something like 40% of the electorate never will, but will see the election as being stolen from him by the deep state and evil dems.

I think it's mostly important for Americans for him to voted out. They need to actively choose this for themselves rather than have Trump taken by an act of God.

Without a clear democratic decision that the US rejects trumpism, it will be very difficult to rebuild the civil service and public faith in institutions.

Whether or not it keeps our friends Schad and Freud happy is very much a secondary question.

Squeak wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:25 am

I think it's mostly important for Americans for him to voted out. They need to actively choose this for themselves rather than have Trump taken by an act of God.

Without a clear democratic decision that the US rejects trumpism, it will be very difficult to rebuild the civil service and public faith in institutions.

Yep, for the long-term health of US democracy the sort of dangerous shenanigans the entire Republican movement from Trump downwards has been up to, to be soundly rejected by the electorate to prove to the politicians that you can't violate basic democratic norms with impunity. As such not oly does Trump need to lose badly so does as many as possible of the enabling c.nts down-ticket of him.

Otherwise a couple years from now some future Republican (or Democrat) administration will conclude the opposite and make a much better fist* of subverting the system to the detriment of everyone.


*the Trump's Administration one redeeming feature is that even if they are evil, proto-fascist authoritarians they are incompetent evil, proto-fascist authoritarians, thank f.ck they such a bunch of clueless tw.ts otherwise we would really be in the sh.t.

Holy f.ck, they've just awarded the Nobel Peace Prize to Trump.

My only explanation is that Putin has invested in a suitable bribe to the Nobel committee.

No, wait, my mistake, they've awarded it to a bunch of do-gooders who get food to people.

bjn wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:03 am

JQH wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:59 am

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:47 am

I'd quite like him to remain alive to see himself and his family get imprisoned as well. That'd be nice.

Yes, it would be great if he gets to realise the whole world sees him as a pathetic loser.

Something like 40% of the electorate never will, but will see the election as being stolen from him by the deep state and evil dems.

I wouldn't think it's 40%. Maybe 10-15% will never accept Trump has lost, but there are still a lot of Republicans who dislike Trump but dislike the Democrats more. If Trump loses badly they will accept the result, and blame Trump for his poor electioneering rather than Trump's ravings about how the result was stolen.

lpm wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:54 am

Very much premature chicken counting, and probably jinx causing, but there's various levels of Trump humiliation.

More importantly, most people voting against Trump will also vote Democrat on the rest of the ballot, and some Republicans who can't bring themselves to vote for anyone might stay at home and hence not vote in the races for US Senate (or dogcatcher). If the Democrats can get the trifecta of WH/House/Senate, a whole lot of things become possible.

sTeamTraen wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:19 am

lpm wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:54 am

Very much premature chicken counting, and probably jinx causing, but there's various levels of Trump humiliation.

More importantly, most people voting against Trump will also vote Democrat on the rest of the ballot, and some Republicans who can't bring themselves to vote for anyone might stay at home and hence not vote in the races for US Senate (or dogcatcher). If the Democrats can get the trifecta of WH/House/Senate, a whole lot of things become possible.

Yes, so it's just as well they've put forward such an exciting platform to implement the bottom-up, sustainable changes so desperately needed in US society.

America doesn't want an exciting platform. America is dominated by c.nts. It's pretty much impossible to win the election without some c.ntery.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 am

America doesn't want an exciting platform. America is dominated by c.nts. It's pretty much impossible to win the election without some c.ntery.

Not true.

69% of voters in favour of medicare for all https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... re-for-all

59% support Green New Deal https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ge/606907/

US voters want exciting new plans. US politicians are stuck kowtowing to vested interests holding up progress.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:10 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 am

America doesn't want an exciting platform. America is dominated by c.nts. It's pretty much impossible to win the election without some c.ntery.

Not true.

69% of voters in favour of medicare for all https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... re-for-all

59% support Green New Deal https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ge/606907/

US voters want exciting new plans. US politicians are stuck kowtowing to vested interests holding up progress.

Yes, though the above are usually opposed by people who identify themselves as being Republicans. They haven't happened due to Republican control of the executive and legislature.

538 has just refreshed their model.

Up to +10.2, highest ever.

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:47 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:10 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 am

America doesn't want an exciting platform. America is dominated by c.nts. It's pretty much impossible to win the election without some c.ntery.

Not true.

69% of voters in favour of medicare for all https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... re-for-all

59% support Green New Deal https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ge/606907/

US voters want exciting new plans. US politicians are stuck kowtowing to vested interests holding up progress.

Yes, though the above are usually opposed by people who identify themselves as being Republicans. They haven't happened due to Republican control of the executive and legislature.

For sure, though obviously it's impossible to have 69% of voters without including a decent chunk of republicans. I suspect views within Rs on access to healthcare split along class boundaries.

Similarly with climate change, young Rs want strong action but the old c.nts are blocking it.

The right is very good at presenting a vision, and simultaneously focussing on doing what's possible within it. The Dems apparently have no vision to present, and are constantly on the back foot trying to come up with stuff that's palatable to the small number of c.nts controlling the GOP, instead of things that voters actually want.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:10 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 am

America doesn't want an exciting platform. America is dominated by c.nts. It's pretty much impossible to win the election without some c.ntery.

Not true.

69% of voters in favour of medicare for all https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... re-for-all

59% support Green New Deal https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ge/606907/

US voters want exciting new plans. US politicians are stuck kowtowing to vested interests holding up progress.

I read a thing somewhere, and for the life of me I can't find it now, about how individual policies can be quite popular, and yet parties who support those policies can be viewed negatively for doing so - a sort of "raiding the bank" style suspicion. I guess a little like how things worked out for Corbyn last year.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:09 pm

The right is very good at presenting a vision, and simultaneously focussing on doing what's possible within it. The Dems apparently have no vision to present, and are constantly on the back foot trying to come up with stuff that's palatable to the small number of c.nts controlling the GOP, instead of things that voters actually want.

I'd actually argue that in this election, the vision is all on the Democrat side. The republicans have offered nothing this time. You might not like the vision that Biden is putting forwards, or think it doesn't go far enough, but that's not the same thing.

Biden's green jobs thing is good, to be fair.

But a lot of what I've seen seems to be framed around not-being-Trump rather than something positive. Like, the end of the Obama years were still pretty crap for a lot of folk, so what's the new third idea?

I don't have any sense of what Biden would like to do if he were given unlimited power (unless the answer is "find someone who disagrees with him to compromise with"), whereas it's all too easy to see what the other side would do, and they actually manage to do quite a bit of it.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:19 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:10 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 am

America doesn't want an exciting platform. America is dominated by c.nts. It's pretty much impossible to win the election without some c.ntery.

Not true.

69% of voters in favour of medicare for all https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... re-for-all

59% support Green New Deal https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ge/606907/

US voters want exciting new plans. US politicians are stuck kowtowing to vested interests holding up progress.

I read a thing somewhere, and for the life of me I can't find it now, about how individual policies can be quite popular, and yet parties who support those policies can be viewed negatively for doing so - a sort of "raiding the bank" style suspicion. I guess a little like how things worked out for Corbyn last year.

Yes, that's true, especially with the polarisation and culture wars stuff and media partisanship etc in the US. I'm sure there's people who'd turn against policies if the wrong party supported them.

But that's not the same as there being no appetite for big changes. It just means - as stupid as it sounds - that people want big changes from the same old institutions that have been f.cking them over for decades.

No, absolutely - I think there'd be reasonable support if Biden chose the next session to move ahead with some sort of universal healthcare programme - it might well be their only shot at getting it done in the next decade.

538 has Biden at 85% to win Philadelphia, and Joe Pasquale competitive for the 10th District, which I guess must be in Essex.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:39 pm

No, absolutely - I think there'd be reasonable support if Biden chose the next session to move ahead with some sort of universal healthcare programme - it might well be their only shot at getting it done in the next decade.

That's my thinking too.

The problem is that, having previously stated opposition to (the only version of) universal healthcare (that existed at the time) it'll look like he ran as a moderate in order to implement a sneaky socialist agenda, and the right will go nuts. They're always nuts though, so whatevs, it's definitely the right thing to do - just a shame they don't have the spine to say as much.

I think at this point stampng out the fire takes priority, we can discuss what colour to repaint the kitchen once the screaming stops.

So, the White House is closing in on a deal with the Democrats, but McConnell isn't interested as the supreme court nomination is more important.

Methinks it shows he knows Trump is a busted flush and is trying to push his through to get something out of it before they lose.