How to help end structural racism

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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by Vertigowooyay » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:13 pm

Dr David Starkey, ladies and gentlemen. "Historian".

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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by Gfamily » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:32 pm

Vertigowooyay wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:13 pm
Dr David Starkey, ladies and gentlemen. "Historian".

https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status ... 3330928642
Slavery was not genocide, otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or in Britain would there?
Great response from below
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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by discovolante » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:33 am

In case anyone is interested in a philosophical/theoretical discussion about social equality and nonviolent protest there is a live online lecture/Q and A with Judith Butler (chaired by Amia Srinivasan) at 5pm tomorrow: https://www.whitechapelgallery.org/even ... th-butler/ presumably in light of BLM and to coincide with the publication of her new book.
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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by Woodchopper » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:48 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
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In terms of reading lists, the US bestsellers list is currently awash with books by people of colour, written expressly for white people who want to do their bit. I've downloaded (but not yet read) How to be an Anti Racist by Ibram X. Kendi. Some others mentioned here and here is another list in the Guardian for a UK audience. So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo looks like an excellent primer.

I really think the most helpful thing most of us can do is be self-reflective, be active in the conversations happening around us, and encourage our communities to actively promote opportunities for people of colour. Listen to people, feel uncomfortable, process it. We're gonna have to be total anti-racism nerds.
I have downloaded and almost finished the Kendi’s book. Which is good.

Does anyone have a recommendation for one to read next? For balance it would be nice to read one that wasn’t written from a US perspective.

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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by discovolante » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:32 pm

Natives by Akala gets a lot of good press, it is on my list.
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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:43 pm

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Natives by Akala gets a lot of good press, it is on my list.
It is really excellent, and I highly recommend it. It's probably more of an account of current and historical structural racism in Britain rather than a guide to ending it, but that's valuable too.

The Good Immigrant by Nikesh Shukla is another good one along from a UK perspective.
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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by discovolante » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:47 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:43 pm
discovolante wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:32 pm
Natives by Akala gets a lot of good press, it is on my list.
It is really excellent, and I highly recommend it. It's probably more of an account of current and historical structural racism in Britain rather than a guide to ending it, but that's valuable too.

The Good Immigrant by Nikesh Shukla is another good one along from a UK perspective.
Yeah I like Akala, I just haven't read the book yet :oops:

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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by Vertigowooyay » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:31 pm

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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by Stephanie » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:30 pm

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This might not be the right thread for it, but I just wanted to post about something that's been happening over the last couple of days.

A couple of days ago Dr Priyamvada Gopal, a lecturer (Professor? See below) in colonial and postcolonial literature and theory at Cambridge Uni who is very active on Twitter - and who also wrote Insurgent Empire which was published last year, and which I read earlier this year and posted about briefly on the book thread (it is very interesting), tweeted 'White lives do not matter. As white lives.' (I can't find the tweet now, it may have been removed - see below).

Provocative maybe, but she has explained that what she meant was that whiteness is not something in itself that needs protecting. She used this analogy (I'm picking this explanation because caste and anti-blackness in India is also something she tweets about a lot):
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PriyamvadaGo ... 0485108737

(Can I suggest, at this point, that this thread isn't the place to debate the rightness or wrongness about what she's saying, or whether she is inciting hatred or whatever.)

Anyway shortly following this she is bombarded with an absolute torrent of racist abuse and death threats, to her Twitter account (check her timeline, it's an absolute shitshow), her (presumably work) email account etc. She has tweeted a lot of the emails she received and retweeted some of the abusive tweets so I'm not going to repeat them here, you can see for yourself, but it's vile. Apparently people she knows have been threatened too. She thinks it originated from 4chan, that lovely place.

This morning Dr Charlotte Riley, tweeted to say that Dr (Prof?) Gopal has been suspended from Twitter 'for making public the racist abuse she has been receiving' and linked to a medium article from her explaining what had happened but as of last night it was announced that she has been promoted to Professorial Chair. The reason I keep ??ing whether she should be called Prof is because I don't know how the academic system works, I assume it is another name for a professorship but there seem to be all sorts of weird other titles so please let me know...

Link here: https://mobile.twitter.com/lottelydia/s ... 6757613568

What I don't get is that her account is still visible and I don't know what reasons she was actually given by Twitter, but it seems bonkers to suspend her account if that's what has happened.

Something to note is that several people involved in the attack against her have compared Cambridge Uni's stance of defending her (which they have done) to the same uni rescinding its offer of a visiting fellowship to Jordan Peterson, accusing it of hypocrisy/double standards and anti-white racism.

Anyway as I said, I wasn't sure where best to put this and if it does get discussed and it seems it should be moved to a different thread or split to a new one I will do that. I just chose to post it here as an example of a really horrible co-ordinated attack on someone that is totally disproportionate to what they have said, whether you agree with them or not (and again I'm just saying that because I don't think this is the thread to discuss that). In this case it's the inadequacy of the internet (heh, 'the internet') in terms of managing this kind of thing and how quickly pretty large scale attacks can be co coordinated - it is no wonder people are worried about speaking out and contributes to the difficulties in being able to challenge inequalities.
Thought you might be interested in this: the Daily Mail wrote about her tweet (the fake one, and a shortened version of a genuine tweet), and have now issued a correction https://twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal/sta ... 0773532676
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Re: How to help end structural racism

Post by discovolante » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:40 pm

Thanks! And a £25k payout, and legal fees, hope it was worth it for them.
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