It had been thought that exemptions covered those crossing France in order to get to their home in another EU country.
However on Wednesday, both P&O and Eurotunnel said the French government had issued new rules meaning British people could "no longer transit France by road to reach their country of residence in the EU" unless they hold French residency.
The British government said it was "urgently" seeking clarification about any new restrictions that would affect UK nationals.
In response, the French government insisted that UK nationals who reside in another EU country are deemed to be "third country nationals" and are therefore not allowed to cross France to get home under the current Covid rules.
However, it noted that "a large number of British nationals residing in an EU country have travelled in good faith to the UK for the festive season and are experiencing difficulties in reaching their country of residence".
"Faced with this situation, instructions of tolerance have been sent to police officers at the borders with the United Kingdom, in order to allow these nationals to transit through France to reach their residence in a country of the European Union".
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France suspends transit ban for UK nationals during Christmas period
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So much for the tweets saying "Oh, so it seems France can control its borders despite being in the EU"shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:19 pmFrance suspends transit ban for UK nationals during Christmas period
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Most UK newspapers seem to have trouble sorting out the difference between holiday rental villa businesses, second homes, and people's main residence, when those are in the EU. They just all become "How Brexit will affect Brits abroad". Again, it makes sense if you think that the point is to fill space and get readers to go "kuh! typical!" rather than to actually inform anyone.shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:15 pmIt's almost as if the British don't actually understand the concept of being resident somewhere.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:15 amThe Guardian article seems to say both yes and no. It's almost as if the writer's intention was to fill space with anecdotes than to convey precise information in an unambiguous manner.
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At around 4pm today the UAE updated, without prior warning, their flight regulations for transit passengers from the UK to require PCR tests within 48 hours of departure (used to be 72), effective immediately. This invalidated, by 4 hours, the tests I did this morning, meaning I had to scramble to book 2 emergency same day tests on new years day. I can't imagine my wife and I are the only people caught out by this. Could be a pretty empty flight.
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Two thirds of the 25 staff based in Belgium's Princess Elisabeth Polar Station in the Antarctic have caught Covid
All 25 researchers were fully vaccinated and one had a booster shot. Before leaving for the station, they underwent a PCR test in Belgium two hours before flying to South Africa.
In South Africa, they quarantined for 10 days and took another PCR test. A further test was needed when leaving Cape Town for Antarctica and a final one five days after that.
One person tested positive seven days after arriving at the station on December 14. The person was isolated but tests revealed two others had caught the virus. The three were evacuated on December 23 but the virus has continued to spread.
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When the real risk was ordering something from Canada.
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... a maskless “disruptive customer” forced American Airlines’ flight AAL38 flying from Miami to London to turn around and go back
The reversal occurred off the North Carolina coast, after the flight had traveled about 500 miles.
The customer, described by police as a woman in her 40s, was “refusing to comply with the federal mask requirement”
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Two-thirds of passengers on first flight to Covid-free Kiribati test positive for covid
After remaining Covid-free for the entirety of the pandemic, Kiribati has reopened its borders – only for two thirds of the passengers on the first international flight to arrive in ten months to test positive for the virus.
The island nation is now set to impose a four-day lockdown from Monday after the virus was found to have spread into the community.
All 54 passengers, 36 of whom were diagnosed with Covid after arriving from Fiji last Friday, have now been quarantined and are recovering well, according to authorities.
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f.cking hell. How is that even possible?
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there is now less covid in England than there is everywhere else therefore you don't need a covid test to come to England from anywhere else.
* - if fully vaccinated.
* - if fully vaccinated.
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As usual with this lot, makes no sense.shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:32 pmthere is now less covid in England than there is everywhere else therefore you don't need a covid test to come to England from anywhere else.
* - if fully vaccinated.
Omicron affects the vaccinated more than the unvaccinated as it is usually not severe in the vaxxed. It kills the unvaxxed.
So vaccinated travellers are very likely to be carrying transmissible Omicron. Which they will pass on to the unvaxxed (mostly children).
Some of the fully vaxxed and boosted will succumb as well, so upping the level of prevalence is not good, even for the mostly protected vaccinated population.
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It makes no sense because you let people in from outside when they don't have covid, not when you don't have covid.Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:52 pmAs usual with this lot, makes no sense.shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:32 pmthere is now less covid in England than there is everywhere else therefore you don't need a covid test to come to England from anywhere else.
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We don't have covid? We have plenty of covid to go around if anybody wants some.shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:04 pmIt makes no sense because you let people in from outside when they don't have covid, not when you don't have covid.Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:52 pmAs usual with this lot, makes no sense.shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:32 pmthere is now less covid in England than there is everywhere else therefore you don't need a covid test to come to England from anywhere else.
* - if fully vaccinated.
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Herainestold wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:17 pmWe don't have covid? We have plenty of covid to go around if anybody wants some.
Britain is "moving through the Omicron wave" and its "figures are starting to get better". Must be true, the prime minister said it. And because Britain is getting better, you can now come to Britain from anywhere else without testing. Makes no sense. Of course it would be cynical to suggest this was a desperate bid for approval to tell people they can go on holiday because they don't have to test on the way back, thus spreading your sh.t over anywhere else in the world which does have it better than England, while dragging the sh.t back from any place which has it worse where it can fuel another spike following the lifting of Plan B.The UK prime minister, Boris Johnson, says he plans to make changes to testing rules for international travellers who are fully vaccinated, given that Britain is “moving through the Omicron wave”.
He told broadcasters during a visit to the Academic Centre in Milton Keynes hospital:
Although we have to be cautious, we are now moving through the Omicron wave, and you can see the figures are starting to get better.
So what we’re doing on travel, to show that this country is open for business, open for travellers, you will see changes so that people arriving no longer have to take tests if they have been vaccinated, if they have been double vaccinated.”
It's like all these "signs that restrictions could soon be over" which is actually just some politician saying that restrictions could soon be over, not anything to do with looking at the actual numbers and seeing which way they're going (i.e. not down anymore). It's ok, intensive care numbers won't go up as long as people die quickly enough.
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Oh and then morons in the rest of Europe see England planning to let it go and ask why we can't have that too.
The Dutch government is expected to announce later today that it will allow restaurants, bars and theatres to re-open, despite record numbers of coronavirus infections.
The Dutch government is expected to announce later today that it will allow restaurants, bars and theatres to re-open, despite record numbers of coronavirus infections.
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Forget about vaccination status, in the Omicron era it is no protection against infection. The only thing that should count is multiple (at least two) negative PCR tests.
I really think the border should be sealed, except for essential travel, u til the pandemic is actually over. 2025? Maybe?
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Infection schminfection, it's a good protection against serious illness and death. Let vaxed negative-test ppl do what they like.Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:21 pmForget about vaccination status, in the Omicron era it is no protection against infection. The only thing that should count is multiple (at least two) negative PCR tests.
I really think the border should be sealed, except for essential travel, u til the pandemic is actually over. 2025? Maybe?
It's not going away unless we can regularly jab the whole world, which we can't, so we're stuck with it forever.
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Why do we have these regulations? If we are trying to control infections, then insist on negative PCR tests (plural). Or close the borders.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:21 pmInfection schminfection, it's a good protection against serious illness and death. Let vaxed negative-test ppl do what they like.Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:21 pmForget about vaccination status, in the Omicron era it is no protection against infection. The only thing that should count is multiple (at least two) negative PCR tests.
I really think the border should be sealed, except for essential travel, u til the pandemic is actually over. 2025? Maybe?
It's not going away unless we can regularly jab the whole world, which we can't, so we're stuck with it forever.
If we are worried about foreigners taking up valuable NHS beds, insist on triple vaccination. Or close the borders.
I agree it is not going to go away. Ever. We do need to get it to a place where society can function and the NHS is not overwhelmed.
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There might as well be free* travel between countries and/or regions which have similar covid prevalences, assuming they trust each other's data collection regimes. I never really understood the idea of a high-prevalence country opening up to countries which have low prevalence and then expecting reciprocal arrangements.
* - for the appropriately vaccinated; countries need to trust each other's vaccinations too.
* - for the appropriately vaccinated; countries need to trust each other's vaccinations too.
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The NHS was not overwhelmed by the Christmas wave. It now never will be, unless there's a deadly variant with Omi speed out there.
Which means it now nothing but a fight to get more resources into the NHS for the next couple of decades to cope with the on going health need.
Which means it now nothing but a fight to get more resources into the NHS for the next couple of decades to cope with the on going health need.
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What possible use would more than one PCR have? Are false negatives due to testing errors a big problem? If not then a series of negative tests prior to the most recent tells you nothing.Herainestold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:02 pmWhy do we have these regulations? If we are trying to control infections, then insist on negative PCR tests (plural). Or close the borders.
If we are worried about foreigners taking up valuable NHS beds, insist on triple vaccination. Or close the borders.
I agree it is not going to go away. Ever. We do need to get it to a place where society can function and the NHS is not overwhelmed.