Re: International travel
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:51 pm
Thanks sTeamy! Good stuff.
Germany is tightening restrictions on travel from the UK in an attempt to curb the spread of the Omicron variant.WFJ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:34 pmI do not think they will, as it is not the federal government that is asking for this, but at the moment I am half hoping they do to give me an excuse to cancel my plans.shpalman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:01 pmGerman govt considers classifying Britain as “virus variant area”
Under German COVID rules, travellers returning from virus variant areas must quarantine for two weeks, even if they are vaccinated.
From midnight on Sunday – or 11pm UK time – there will be a ban on carriage from the UK to Germany, except for German nationals, residents and transit passengers.
Everyone entering Germany from Britain, whether vaccinated or not, will need a negative PCR test and is required to quarantine for 14 days.
The country’s public health authority, the Robert-Koch-Institut, announced the new rules on Saturday evening as it classified the UK as an area of variants of concern due to Omicron.
It said the restrictions could last until at least 3 January
Well, there we are: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ron-spreadWFJ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:34 pmI do not think they will, as it is not the federal government that is asking for this, but at the moment I am half hoping they do to give me an excuse to cancel my plans.shpalman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:01 pmGerman govt considers classifying Britain as “virus variant area”
Under German COVID rules, travellers returning from virus variant areas must quarantine for two weeks, even if they are vaccinated.
From midnight on Sunday – or 11pm UK time – carriers such as airlines are banned from transporting British tourists to Germany. Only German citizens and residents, their partners and children, and transit passengers will be allowed to travel to the country from the UK.
Anyone entering Germany from Britain will need a negative PCR test and is required to quarantine for 14 days, regardless of vaccination status.
The timestamps at the Guardian are Sat 18 Dec 2021 23.48 GMT for the full story which you posted and 22:41 for the liveblog post, so either of us had all night to post about it here, and yet we both posted within about a minute of each other this morning.
Lebkuchen and Stollen instead of mince pies and Christmas cake for me again this year then.headshot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:27 amWell, there we are: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ron-spreadWFJ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:34 pmI do not think they will, as it is not the federal government that is asking for this, but at the moment I am half hoping they do to give me an excuse to cancel my plans.shpalman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:01 pmGerman govt considers classifying Britain as “virus variant area”
From midnight on Sunday – or 11pm UK time – carriers such as airlines are banned from transporting British tourists to Germany. Only German citizens and residents, their partners and children, and transit passengers will be allowed to travel to the country from the UK.
Anyone entering Germany from Britain will need a negative PCR test and is required to quarantine for 14 days, regardless of vaccination status.
Gotcha.
Meanwhile in Germany...it's 14 days - regardless of status. So we could have gone there for our 8 day visit and come home and would have still been in the German quarantine period on New Year's Day.
Police said many were probably caught out on Sunday by a new rule requiring a negative PCR test within 48 hours.
Austrian opposition politicians blamed the health minister for failing to update restrictions on the internet.
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The restrictions, currently displayed on the Austrian UK embassy website, require anyone over the age of 12 to have a third Covid vaccination and a negative PCR test taken within 48 hours of arrival. Under the previous rules a negative PCR test had to be taken within 72 hours of arrival.
While many reportedly had older PCR tests, some also had not received booster doses.
One tourist, Victoria Winstanley, said on social media that the team checking Covid certificates for an Easyjet flight either did not have up-to-date information or were not checking them properly.
48 hours for a PCR is hard, especially if it's (a) based on arrival rather than departure time, and (b) during a holiday period, when testing centres may have reduced hours. And that's without the current overwhelmed status of many labs. Spain had that for about a week in the summer and moved it out to 72 hours.shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:20 pmInnsbruck airport denies 110 Britons entry over new Covid rules
Police said many were probably caught out on Sunday by a new rule requiring a negative PCR test within 48 hours.
Austrian opposition politicians blamed the health minister for failing to update restrictions on the internet.
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The restrictions, currently displayed on the Austrian UK embassy website, require anyone over the age of 12 to have a third Covid vaccination and a negative PCR test taken within 48 hours of arrival. Under the previous rules a negative PCR test had to be taken within 72 hours of arrival.
While many reportedly had older PCR tests, some also had not received booster doses.
One tourist, Victoria Winstanley, said on social media that the team checking Covid certificates for an Easyjet flight either did not have up-to-date information or were not checking them properly.
They did that years ago though.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:01 pmMore widely, one of the issues I have with a lot of Covid restrictions, especially related to travel, is that governments have effectively outsourced no-appeal enforcement of regulations to minimum-wage staff with other loyalties (airlines, ground handling companies), and very often in other countries. Yes, we all ought to Stay The f.ck At Home, but in between the posh people who can't do without their skiing and the gormless influencers in Dubai, there are families who haven't seen each other in a couple of years, and Christmas reunions with people who won't be here next year.
Britons with homes in EU told they can’t drive through France to get there
So, Britons with residency in EU can drive through France to get there?According to the French travel guidance, “nationals of the European Union or equivalent”, as well as their partners and children, “who have their main residence in France or who join, in transit through France, their main residence in a country of the European Union” are considered to have a compelling reason for travelling from the UK through France.
What does France’s travel ban mean for UK holiday plans?
According to French officials, British citizens who have a residence in another EU country, such as Belgium, Germany, Spain or Italy, will be required to show proof of their residence, such as a residency permit, tax forms or utility bills.
The Guardian article seems to say both yes and no. It's almost as if the writer's intention was to fill space with anecdotes than to convey precise information in an unambiguous manner.shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:51 amBritons with homes in EU told they can’t drive through France to get there
So, Britons with residency in EU can drive through France to get there?According to the French travel guidance, “nationals of the European Union or equivalent”, as well as their partners and children, “who have their main residence in France or who join, in transit through France, their main residence in a country of the European Union” are considered to have a compelling reason for travelling from the UK through France.
What does France’s travel ban mean for UK holiday plans?
According to French officials, British citizens who have a residence in another EU country, such as Belgium, Germany, Spain or Italy, will be required to show proof of their residence, such as a residency permit, tax forms or utility bills.
Mrs sTeamTraen and I wave our French and Irish passports, respectively, in your general direction.
Yes, you would, wouldn't you. I forgot that.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:15 am
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Mrs sTeamTraen and I wave our French and Irish passports, respectively, in your general direction.
It's almost as if the British don't actually understand the concept of being resident somewhere.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:15 amThe Guardian article seems to say both yes and no. It's almost as if the writer's intention was to fill space with anecdotes than to convey precise information in an unambiguous manner.
This seems to be the answer.shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:15 pmIt's almost as if the British don't actually understand the concept of being resident somewhere.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:15 amThe Guardian article seems to say both yes and no. It's almost as if the writer's intention was to fill space with anecdotes than to convey precise information in an unambiguous manner.
FIFYBird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:44 pmThis seems to be the answer.shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:15 pmIt's almost as if the British don't actually understand the concept of being resident somewhere.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:15 amThe Guardian article seems to say both yes and no. It's almost as if the writer's intention was to fill space with anecdotes than to convey precise information in an unambiguous manner.
Residents can go home, but you can't go on holiday.
If you haven't sorted your paperwork by now you're probably a tit.