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Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by AMS » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:20 pm

Looks horrific and there'll be a lot of casualties I'm sure.

It's being suggested that a fire in the port spread to a storage facility full of ammonium nitrate.

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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by jimbob » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:29 pm

Yes the video looks consistent with something like that. As opposed to a bomb.

I have already seen one idiotic conspiracy theory resting on the idea that as it produced a mushroom cloud, it was a nuclear bomb.
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Post by Martin Y » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:17 pm

Blimey. Bit late to suggest those dock warehouses are rather too close to populated areas for bulk storing explosive materials.

Puts one in mind of the Halifax NS explosion just over 100 years ago. Not on quite the same scale thankfully as that obliterated half the town.

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Post by MartinDurkin » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:07 pm

My desk in Beirut looked out on that warehouse from about half a mile away. Not been back since the riots last November. Reports from the office say no one seriously hurt but some minor injuries. Feeling a bit shocked to be honest.

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Post by Boustrophedon » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:23 pm

Registered at 3.3 on the Richter. Comparisons are difficult but that is around 100 tons TNT to within an order of magnitude. Probably towards the lower end of that estimate.
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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by AMS » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:40 pm

BBC live updates wrote:PM: 'Unacceptable' that 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate be in warehouse
Lebanon's Prime Minsiter Hassan Diab has said it is "unacceptable" that 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate were being stored in a warehouse.

"I will not rest until we find the person responsible for what happened so we can hold them to account and impose the most severe punishment," the prime minister was quoted as saying by an official Twitter account.

"It is unacceptable that a shipment of 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate has been present for six years in a warehouse, without taking preventive measures and endangering the safety of citizens".
Seriously? WTF if that's true.

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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by sTeamTraen » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:10 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:23 pm
Registered at 3.3 on the Richter. Comparisons are difficult but that is around 100 tons TNT to within an order of magnitude. Probably towards the lower end of that estimate.
Reports say 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate, and Wiki says that is 0.42 times as bangy as TNT, so you'd be up to 1,155 tons, which is about a tenth of a Hiroshima. :o
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Post by headshot » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:37 pm

Bit like the Tianjin explosion a few years ago.

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Post by Boustrophedon » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:19 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:10 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:23 pm
Registered at 3.3 on the Richter. Comparisons are difficult but that is around 100 tons TNT to within an order of magnitude. Probably towards the lower end of that estimate.
Reports say 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate, and Wiki says that is 0.42 times as bangy as TNT, so you'd be up to 1,155 tons, which is about a tenth of a Hiroshima. :o
Doesn't look like 1,000 odd tons to my uneducated eye. Yeah one explosion looks like another, it's just scale, but a 100 tons would take out the building next door and leave the rest of the city bashed but not demolished. 1,000 tons and the whole block and those next door would have gone. I hate to go all conspiracy minded but is the ammonium nitrate story a cover for say a weapons dump?

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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by dyqik » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:35 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:19 pm
sTeamTraen wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:10 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:23 pm
Registered at 3.3 on the Richter. Comparisons are difficult but that is around 100 tons TNT to within an order of magnitude. Probably towards the lower end of that estimate.
Reports say 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate, and Wiki says that is 0.42 times as bangy as TNT, so you'd be up to 1,155 tons, which is about a tenth of a Hiroshima. :o
Doesn't look like 1,000 odd tons to my uneducated eye. Yeah one explosion looks like another, it's just scale, but a 100 tons would take out the building next door and leave the rest of the city bashed but not demolished. 1,000 tons and the whole block and those next door would have gone. I hate to go all conspiracy minded but is the ammonium nitrate story a cover for say a weapons dump?

I could well be wrong.
A warehouse explosion won't be the same as an optimized bomb with the same quantity of explosive.

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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by sTeamTraen » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:40 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:19 pm
Doesn't look like 1,000 odd tons to my uneducated eye. Yeah one explosion looks like another, it's just scale, but a 100 tons would take out the building next door and leave the rest of the city bashed but not demolished. 1,000 tons and the whole block and those next door would have gone. I hate to go all conspiracy minded but is the ammonium nitrate story a cover for say a weapons dump?

I could well be wrong.
The Oklahoma City bomb was estimated at about 2 tons equivalent of TNT and it took out a pretty large building, constructed to US federal procurement standards. 500 times that would make for a pretty big hole.
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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by Brightonian » Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:27 am

An analysis from Bellingcat, with tweets from their chief investigator @N_Waters89.

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Post by Martin Y » Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:41 am

I read elsewhere that the distinctive red cloud is supportive of the claims that it was ammonium nitrate which exploded, and the stuff stockpiled was the seized cargo from an impounded ship which had been argued over for several years.

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Post by Lew Dolby » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:46 am

For comparison, there was a similar explosion at the AZF factory in Toulouse a couple of weeks after the Twin Towers attack in 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZF_(factory)
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Post by JQH » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:28 am

Brightonian wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:27 am
An analysis from Bellingcat, with tweets from their chief investigator @N_Waters89.

f.ck. Did you see that video of the actual explosion taken from a balcony several hundred metres away. Still caught in the blast. I wonder if s/he survived?
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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by Grumble » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:41 am

JQH wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:28 am
Brightonian wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:27 am
An analysis from Bellingcat, with tweets from their chief investigator @N_Waters89.

f.ck. Did you see that video of the actual explosion taken from a balcony several hundred metres away. Still caught in the blast. I wonder if s/he survived?
Presumably someone uploaded the video, or was it a section of a livestream?
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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by Boustrophedon » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:45 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:40 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:19 pm
Doesn't look like 1,000 odd tons to my uneducated eye. Yeah one explosion looks like another, it's just scale, but a 100 tons would take out the building next door and leave the rest of the city bashed but not demolished. 1,000 tons and the whole block and those next door would have gone. I hate to go all conspiracy minded but is the ammonium nitrate story a cover for say a weapons dump?

I could well be wrong.
The Oklahoma City bomb was estimated at about 2 tons equivalent of TNT and it took out a pretty large building, constructed to US federal procurement standards. 500 times that would make for a pretty big hole.
There is actually a pretty big hole.
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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by Martin Y » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:49 am

JQH wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:28 am
Brightonian wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:27 am
An analysis from Bellingcat, with tweets from their chief investigator @N_Waters89.

f.ck. Did you see that video of the actual explosion taken from a balcony several hundred metres away. Still caught in the blast. I wonder if s/he survived?
This one? https://streamable.com/xmmoa7

While they were very clearly in great danger of severe injury or death, the fact that their phone video of the event was shared within a short time makes me hopeful they weren't gravely hurt.

Makes you think, even after they've buried the dead and treated the injured, a large area of their city is going to be barely inhabitable for quite some time.

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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by Martin Y » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:55 am

Boustrophedon wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:45 am
There is actually a pretty big hole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41CCFYOy6Ww
I assume the large reinforced concrete structure that partly survived is a grain silo. That's probably a significant loss of stored food.

And yes, that is a pretty damned big hole.

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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by AMS » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:23 am

Martin Y wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:55 am
Boustrophedon wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:45 am
There is actually a pretty big hole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41CCFYOy6Ww
I assume the large reinforced concrete structure that partly survived is a grain silo. That's probably a significant loss of stored food.

And yes, that is a pretty damned big hole.
I just watched an al Jazeera report that said it is Lebanon's main storage site for wheat, holding about 3 months' worth of the country's needs. Also that significant milling operations were nearby in the pory area. The port handles 80% of Lebanon's imports/exports.

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Post by Woodchopper » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:32 am

Tracing the explosives that tore the capital apart
Letters show officials knew of danger posed by ammonium nitrate cargo at Beirut port six years before deadly blast.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 16684.html

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Post by AMS » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:36 am

It looks like a few thousand tons of grain works pretty well as a shock absorber. The side of the silo nearest the blast has totally disintegrated, but the far side is more or less intact. I wonder how much it protected buildings further away in that direction.

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Post by Gfamily » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:00 am

JQH wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:28 am
Brightonian wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:27 am
An analysis from Bellingcat, with tweets from their chief investigator @N_Waters89.

f.ck. Did you see that video of the actual explosion taken from a balcony several hundred metres away. Still caught in the blast. I wonder if s/he survived?
If they were on a balcony they'll have been in a better position than people who would have been looking at the initial fire through a window.
And lots of people would have been doing that.

Reminds me of the Manchester bombing when people in my company were watching the police evacuation from a nearby office block window. Fortunately the glass didn't shatter, but the whole window frame was blown out of its frame and across the floor, which caused blunt force injuries rather than being cut by glass shards.
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Re: Huge explosion in Beirut

Post by AMS » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:36 pm

A view of the crater, from AFP twitter. I think that's the original line of the quayside in the bottom left.

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Post by TimW » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:26 pm

AMS wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:36 am
It looks like a few thousand tons of grain works pretty well as a shock absorber. The side of the silo nearest the blast has totally disintegrated, but the far side is more or less intact. I wonder how much it protected buildings further away in that direction.
In this image there are buildings in the middle distance that look like they might have benefitted:

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