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NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by dyqik » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:44 pm

The NRA put in a major effort to support Trump in 2016, and seems to be gearing up to do the same again this year.

And the NY Attorney General has just announced a lawsuit that seeks to dissolve the NRA due to massive fraud by its executive officers.

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Post by lpm » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:05 pm

This is awful sad. Poor NRA. Thoughts and prayers.
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Post by Grumble » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:20 pm

dyqik wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:44 pm
The NRA put in a major effort to support Trump in 2016, and seems to be gearing up to do the same again this year.

And the NY Attorney General has just announced a lawsuit that seeks to dissolve the NRA due to massive fraud by its executive officers.
She clearly thinks she has a strong case. I hope it’s easy to prove.
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Post by monkey » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:06 pm

dyqik wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:44 pm
The NRA put in a major effort to support Trump in 2016, and seems to be gearing up to do the same again this year.

And the NY Attorney General has just announced a lawsuit that seeks to dissolve the NRA due to massive fraud by its executive officers.
Well that won't be over by the election, but I guess that's not the point.

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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA

Post by dyqik » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:08 pm

Grumble wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:20 pm
dyqik wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:44 pm
The NRA put in a major effort to support Trump in 2016, and seems to be gearing up to do the same again this year.

And the NY Attorney General has just announced a lawsuit that seeks to dissolve the NRA due to massive fraud by its executive officers.
She clearly thinks she has a strong case. I hope it’s easy to prove.
Let's put it this way: the NRA is so corrupt that Oliver North has been calling for them to be investigated.

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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA

Post by Little waster » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:36 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:05 pm
This is awful sad. Poor NRA. Thoughts and prayers.
I think there is a possible solution ... like everything else probably involving more guns and more dead children.

If dead children doesn’t solve it that probably means we just haven’t killed enough children yet.

I think it is in the US Constitution, somewhere near the back.
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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:31 am

I've split this topic off from the US Election thread, as it's worthy of its own discussion.
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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by Boustrophedon » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:53 pm

I see that this is already being framed in terms of the second amendment instead of fraud and corruption.
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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by Grumble » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:01 pm

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Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:53 pm
I see that this is already being framed in terms of the second amendment instead of fraud and corruption.
I think it was being framed that way before the Attorney General stepped in front of the cameras. She trailed what she was about to speak about after all.
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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by dyqik » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:02 pm

Grumble wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:01 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:53 pm
I see that this is already being framed in terms of the second amendment instead of fraud and corruption.
I think it was being framed that way before the Attorney General stepped in front of the cameras. She trailed what she was about to speak about after all.
I must have missed the bit of the 2A that grants the right to defraud gun owners and taxpayers.

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Post by plodder » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:46 am

if they want to play into the hands of the qanon lot then talking about dissolution is a great idea.

why can’t they just talk about the potential crimes and talk about the punishment later?

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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:49 am

Because forcing the NRA to spend its money defending itself rather than supporting trump is a good idea. Also, qanon should be fought not appeased.
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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by Cardinal Fang » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:08 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:53 pm
I see that this is already being framed in terms of the second amendment instead of fraud and corruption.
If they were the only gun owners' club they might have more of a leg to stand on. But there are others they can join, so I can't see that argument holding up

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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by jimbob » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:48 pm

Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:23 pm

They are apparently going bankrupt and to Texas. Not sure how that works


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Post by bolo » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:30 pm

Meanwhile, their headquarters is less than 10 miles from me, in Fairfax, Virginia.

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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by Fishnut » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:23 pm
They are apparently going bankrupt and to Texas. Not sure how that works



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The Opening Arguments podcast did an episode on this sort of eventuality. It's in episode 410, and that part starts at about 22 minutes into the episode. I just had a quick relisten and the TL:DL is, If they declare bankruptcy then they can't take any of its assets to the new organisation - that would be a fraudulent transaction. They'd also have trouble taking the NRA's name as that would be infringing on the NRA's copyright and if the NRA didn't prosecute that would be pretty good evidence that the new NRA was actually just the old NRA and that they were trying to escape the New York legal proceedings.
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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:23 pm
They are apparently going bankrupt and to Texas. Not sure how that works



4F09B848-61A0-4012-94CF-3BD2C11B0F3B.jpeg
The Opening Arguments podcast did an episode on this sort of eventuality. It's in episode 410, and that part starts at about 22 minutes into the episode. I just had a quick relisten and the TL:DL is, If they declare bankruptcy then they can't take any of its assets to the new organisation - that would be a fraudulent transaction. They'd also have trouble taking the NRA's name as that would be infringing on the NRA's copyright and if the NRA didn't prosecute that would be pretty good evidence that the new NRA was actually just the old NRA and that they were trying to escape the New York legal proceedings.
That’s as I understood it. I smell desperation.

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Post by dyqik » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:15 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:23 pm
They are apparently going bankrupt and to Texas. Not sure how that works



4F09B848-61A0-4012-94CF-3BD2C11B0F3B.jpeg
The Opening Arguments podcast did an episode on this sort of eventuality. It's in episode 410, and that part starts at about 22 minutes into the episode. I just had a quick relisten and the TL:DL is, If they declare bankruptcy then they can't take any of its assets to the new organisation - that would be a fraudulent transaction. They'd also have trouble taking the NRA's name as that would be infringing on the NRA's copyright and if the NRA didn't prosecute that would be pretty good evidence that the new NRA was actually just the old NRA and that they were trying to escape the New York legal proceedings.
An even bigger asset is the NRAs membership list and its list of donations to politicians.

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Re: NY Attorney General Seeks Dissolution of the NRA (Split)

Post by Fishnut » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:19 pm

dyqik wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:15 pm
Fishnut wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:23 pm
They are apparently going bankrupt and to Texas. Not sure how that works



4F09B848-61A0-4012-94CF-3BD2C11B0F3B.jpeg
The Opening Arguments podcast did an episode on this sort of eventuality. It's in episode 410, and that part starts at about 22 minutes into the episode. I just had a quick relisten and the TL:DL is, If they declare bankruptcy then they can't take any of its assets to the new organisation - that would be a fraudulent transaction. They'd also have trouble taking the NRA's name as that would be infringing on the NRA's copyright and if the NRA didn't prosecute that would be pretty good evidence that the new NRA was actually just the old NRA and that they were trying to escape the New York legal proceedings.
An even bigger asset is the NRAs membership list and its list of donations to politicians.
Yeah, good point. They mentioned that in the podcast but I left it out because I was lazy.
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