Re: mess
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:20 pm
I wonder what this "week in Tory" is going to be like. Shambolic even by their standards and it's only Monday.
It might need the Government to step in and decree that all acceptances or rejections made since Thursday do not stand (perhaps even by an emergency court injunction?), and that the whole system is reset to how it stood before the results came out. I'm not sure individual institutions can fix this mess.bob sterman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:52 pmSo now what happens?
At my university we've already accepted (and rejected) a load of students.
If the rejected students now have higher grades than originally though - we could call them and offer them a place.
But what about the ones we've accepted? E.g. perhaps we were their insurance? If they now have higher grades than they initially thought will their first choice institution be calling them up and offering them a place?
The government U turn was originally a B turn.
This is exactly why I think the solution may be a complete reset, nullifying all the rejections and acceptances so far and going back to how it stood prior to Thursday.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmSome universities appear to be saying "Yes, your grades now meet our offer, but you can't have a place because we've already given them all out".
Which obviously cannot stand.
The outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
AMS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:38 pmThis is exactly why I think the solution may be a complete reset, nullifying all the rejections and acceptances so far and going back to how it stood prior to Thursday.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmSome universities appear to be saying "Yes, your grades now meet our offer, but you can't have a place because we've already given them all out".
Which obviously cannot stand.
The outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
Am I right in thinking it's probably bit fraught in uni admissions teams right now?warumich wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:55 pmAMS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:38 pmThis is exactly why I think the solution may be a complete reset, nullifying all the rejections and acceptances so far and going back to how it stood prior to Thursday.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmSome universities appear to be saying "Yes, your grades now meet our offer, but you can't have a place because we've already given them all out".
Which obviously cannot stand.
The outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
God if that happens I really am going to be on the gin for breakfast...
Mind, it might almost be funny if one of the unis that goes bust because of all this happens to be the one in Boris Johnson's constituency
As far as I know an accepted offer is a contract between the university and the student. It won’t be easy to void all the hundreds of thousands of contracts already agreed. Some people are going to lose out.AMS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:38 pmThis is exactly why I think the solution may be a complete reset, nullifying all the rejections and acceptances so far and going back to how it stood prior to Thursday.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmSome universities appear to be saying "Yes, your grades now meet our offer, but you can't have a place because we've already given them all out".
Which obviously cannot stand.
The outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
That's certainly what someone said on PM this evening.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:08 pmAs far as I know an accepted offer is a contract between the university and the student. It won’t be easy to void all the hundreds of thousands of contracts already agreed. Some people are going to lose out.AMS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:38 pmThis is exactly why I think the solution may be a complete reset, nullifying all the rejections and acceptances so far and going back to how it stood prior to Thursday.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmSome universities appear to be saying "Yes, your grades now meet our offer, but you can't have a place because we've already given them all out".
Which obviously cannot stand.
The outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
What they need is someone who noticed what happened in Scotland two weeks ago, and suggested it might happen in England.
It might be a voidable contract as no valuable consideration has been exchanged*murmur wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:48 pmThat's certainly what someone said on PM this evening.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:08 pm
As far as I know an accepted offer is a contract between the university and the student. It won’t be easy to void all the hundreds of thousands of contracts already agreed. Some people are going to lose out.
Is the government more afraid of the rage of the small number of wealthy, well-connected core supporters who use private schools, or the rage of the huge number of middle-class supporters who use state schools?lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmThe outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
Sciolus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:42 pmIs the government more afraid of the rage of the small number of wealthy, well-connected core supporters who use private schools, or the rage of the huge number of middle-class supporters who use state schools?lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmThe outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
You, sir, are a super predictor...warumich wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:36 pmSciolus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:42 pmIs the government more afraid of the rage of the small number of wealthy, well-connected core supporters who use private schools, or the rage of the huge number of middle-class supporters who use state schools?lpm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pmThe outcome has been two stage results: private schools get their results without downgrades, take their uni places. A few days later, comps and colleges (especially in the north) get their results without downgrades, and are second in the queue for uni places (having gone through a few days of being told worse results to push them to second choice unis or clearing).
Easy, it'll all be someone else's fault. Ofqual most obviously, but with a bit of imagination maybe even the teachers.
Albeit an asymmetric contract. Won't be easy for universities to renege on places they have promised to students. However, universities cannot compel students to actually turn up.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:08 pmAs far as I know an accepted offer is a contract between the university and the student. It won’t be easy to void all the hundreds of thousands of contracts already agreed. Some people are going to lose out.