Re: The US after Trump
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:53 pm
Trump was probably the perfect candidate for downballot Rs - brought the imbeciles to the polls to vote straight ticket, and independents to ticket split against Trump because the weren't happy voting straight D. Dems did much better in 2018, might happen again in runoffs.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:26 pmApparently there are likely to be a couple of runoffs that could give the Democrats control of the senate, as the votes this time were so close. That (and this tweet) makes me wonder: Will there be a higher or lower Republican turnout at the runoff election? It might be higher because those Republicans who stayed at home because they couldn't stand Trump might turn out, but it might be lower if they are of the "Trump or nothing" persuasion.Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:57 pmAnd Biden probably won't have the Senate, and they will try and block and obfuscate as much as they can to make him a lame duck president from the start. If he wants to prove to that 69 million that his politics can make their lives better than under Trump, he'll have to flex executive order muscle and that will cause problems all of its own.
Yeah, Vanilla ISIS aren't that numerous. But the police will likely defend them against unarmed counter-protestors.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:18 pmMeh. Wouldn't be the first time this year. A few people get hurt, a bunch of young people get incarcerated, and nothing fundamentally changes. Whatevs.dyqik wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:09 pmArmed mobs on the streets, mostly.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:04 pm
How can he make a deal, though? What's his leverage? If he's lost he's got to f.ck off, end of.
Just shows how long they have been planning this.Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:25 pmI'll say this about the Deep State - you have to admire how they don't leave a shred of evidence behind. I mean, that's real professionalism.
Hah! I'd forgotten "Vanilla ISIS". Megalolz.dyqik wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:01 pmYeah, Vanilla ISIS aren't that numerous. But the police will likely defend them against unarmed counter-protestors.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:18 pmMeh. Wouldn't be the first time this year. A few people get hurt, a bunch of young people get incarcerated, and nothing fundamentally changes. Whatevs.
And yet they apparently couldn’t manage to fix Georgia enough to avoid a recount, nor to win a couple more Senate seats. SAD.Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:25 pmI'll say this about the Deep State - you have to admire how they don't leave a shred of evidence behind. I mean, that's real professionalism.
Got to keep it plausible, haven't they?nekomatic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:20 pmAnd yet they apparently couldn’t manage to fix Georgia enough to avoid a recount, nor to win a couple more Senate seats. SAD.Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:25 pmI'll say this about the Deep State - you have to admire how they don't leave a shred of evidence behind. I mean, that's real professionalism.
Merriam-Webster write:
On etymology:Does irregardless mean the same thing as regardless?
Yes. We define irregardless as "regardless." Many people find irregardless to be a nonsensical word, as the ir- prefix usually functions to indicate negation; however, in this case it appears to function as an intensifier. Similar ir- words, while rare, do exist in English, including irremediless ("remediless"), irresistless ("resistless") and irrelentlessly ("relentlessly).
strongly hinting that this form adds some confusion but no information and classing it as nonstandard:History and Etymology for irregardless
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
... unless you feel a need for some added confusion After Trump?Is irregardless slang?
We label irregardless as “nonstandard” rather than “slang.” When a word is nonstandard it means it is “not conforming in pronunciation, grammatical construction, idiom, or word choice to the usage generally characteristic of educated native speakers of a language.” Irregardless is a long way from winning general acceptance as a standard English word. For that reason, it is best to use regardless instead.
the work she had started years before to organize and mobilize an army of voters to break the Republican Party’s lock on state politics and create a government that looked more like the new Georgia.
That army, anchored in metro Atlanta and in smaller pockets of predominantly Black cities and counties, helped to push former vice president Joe Biden several thousand votes ahead of President Trump in the state this week. Now Democrats are on the verge of achieving a long-held dream: flipping Georgia, which hasn’t voted for a presidential nominee of that party since 1992...
Is there a lot of suppressed Democrat voting there, then?dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:05 pmIt's worth noting that Obama's background in Chicago is similar types of community organizing.
What's needed is to take that organizing and adapt it to rural and sub/ex-urban white America. That's not going to look the same, but if it can reduce the GOP margins in suburban and rural areas of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa, North Carolina, etc. then the electoral map and Senate open up a lot.
It might take a decade to get there though
No, but there's a lot of uninformed knee-jerk Republican voting from people who support a fair number of liberal policies, and a lot of missing turnout. This is about convincing people to consider policy rather than tribal voting, and convincing people that your party is listening to them.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:15 pmIs there a lot of suppressed Democrat voting there, then?dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:05 pmIt's worth noting that Obama's background in Chicago is similar types of community organizing.
What's needed is to take that organizing and adapt it to rural and sub/ex-urban white America. That's not going to look the same, but if it can reduce the GOP margins in suburban and rural areas of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa, North Carolina, etc. then the electoral map and Senate open up a lot.
It might take a decade to get there though
Fair enough. Certainly a worthy initiative - probably the only way to break through online misinformation is through in-person outreach. But as you say that could well take a lot longer than what's just been achieved in GA.dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:17 pmNo, but there's a lot of uninformed knee-jerk Republican voting from people who support a fair number of liberal policies, and a lot of missing turnout. This is about convincing people to consider policy rather than tribal voting, and convincing people that your party is listening to them.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:15 pmIs there a lot of suppressed Democrat voting there, then?dyqik wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:05 pmIt's worth noting that Obama's background in Chicago is similar types of community organizing.
What's needed is to take that organizing and adapt it to rural and sub/ex-urban white America. That's not going to look the same, but if it can reduce the GOP margins in suburban and rural areas of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa, North Carolina, etc. then the electoral map and Senate open up a lot.
It might take a decade to get there though
I quite like the idea of "Flipping Georgia" being something that a posh Oxford student called Allegra or Camilla would exclaim when she finds her flatmate has stolen her last Gü dessert.
Or the claret is corked.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:14 pmI quite like the idea of "Flipping Georgia" being something that a posh Oxford student called Allegra or Camilla would exclaim when she finds her flatmate has stolen her last Gü dessert.
Oh, I'm not a bot, but I certainly did as soon as I saw it. With a screenshotbjn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:47 pmIt would be a shame if liberal bots were to retweet that, regularly and often.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:26 pmApparently there are likely to be a couple of runoffs that could give the Democrats control of the senate, as the votes this time were so close. That (and this tweet) makes me wonder: Will there be a higher or lower Republican turnout at the runoff election? It might be higher because those Republicans who stayed at home because they couldn't stand Trump might turn out, but it might be lower if they are of the "Trump or nothing" persuasion.Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:57 pmAnd Biden probably won't have the Senate, and they will try and block and obfuscate as much as they can to make him a lame duck president from the start. If he wants to prove to that 69 million that his politics can make their lives better than under Trump, he'll have to flex executive order muscle and that will cause problems all of its own.
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