Astonishing levels of government corruption

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by TimW » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:45 pm

Govt lose Judicial Review.

https://goodlawproject.org/update/the-judgment-is-in/
Judge Chamberlain wrote:The Secretary of State spent vast quantities of public money on pandemic-related procurements during 2020. The public were entitled to see who this money was going to, what it was being spent on and how the relevant contracts were awarded.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by cvb » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:41 am

TimW wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Govt lose Judicial Review.

https://goodlawproject.org/update/the-judgment-is-in/
Judge Chamberlain wrote:The Secretary of State spent vast quantities of public money on pandemic-related procurements during 2020. The public were entitled to see who this money was going to, what it was being spent on and how the relevant contracts were awarded.
While this is good. Does anybody stand accountable? What happens to them?

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by plodder » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:56 pm

nothing, they can now afford excellent lawyers.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by discovolante » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:23 pm

Legally, the court makes a 'declaration' of what the SoS has done unlawfully, because by this point he has more or less complied with the rules so the court didn't think it was necessary to order him to do so. Politically obvs that's different, nothing happens.

The judgment can be downloaded here: https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/good ... cial-care/

I've very briefly skimmed the end basically so if I've got the above wrong feel free to point it out.
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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by Rich Scopie » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:31 pm

And Matt Hancock's reply? People will think he did the right thing, so there's nothing to apologise for.

Does anyone in this Government have any shame at all? (Rhetorical)
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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by Little waster » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:37 pm

Rich Scopie wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:31 pm
Does anyone in this Government have any shame at all? (Rhetorical)
I'll have you know a government minister personally oversaw the purchase of £3bn worth of shame, sufficient for everyone in the UK, from a close personal friend they know from their golf club.

I think you'll find the apparent shortage is due to people* fecklessly misusing it.





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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by IvanV » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:30 am

Whilst there is this mucky stuff going on over covid stuff, I would say that in my experience an awful lot of public sector procurement is pretty clean, at least in central government. Local councils are clearly something else. He says as we watch Croydon Borough Council bankrupting itself through malpractice in contracting that has been called out in Private Eye for years.

I mostly do public sector work, let on through publicly advertised tenders or frameworks. We don't do any entertainment of public officials, or anything like that. We just bid, build our reputation, and that's enough. We have an Australian office, and they complain that many similar opportunities in Australia are not publicly advertised, but sent around to a few companies the procurer knows. Breaking in is much harder there, because you do have to do things to bring yourself to their attention. Which is where the problems arise.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the procurement is perfectly on merit. Indeed we get infuriated by some of the nonsense that can go on, perverse marking systems, ridiculous prequalification criteria, lumping things together so that specialists can't bid for the things they specialise in. But these imperfections are mostly cock-up rather than conspiracy. Occasionally some of it is so stupid it makes you think it might be favouritism, especially when lots of suppliers are complaining about it and they turn a deaf ear. Though given so much of it is clearly bureaucracy gone mad, probably most of the rest is too.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by science_fox » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:28 pm

TimW wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:37 am
Govt lose Judicial Review.

Government acted unlawfully over firm's £560,000 contract
Although as per DAG, not illegally or corruptly no matter how GLP spin it. I'm very glad GLP are fighting these cases and trying to prevent even worse abuses, but they are specific and limited abuses and not yet signs of general corruption.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by plodder » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:39 am

IvanV wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:30 am
Whilst there is this mucky stuff going on over covid stuff, I would say that in my experience an awful lot of public sector procurement is pretty clean, at least in central government. Local councils are clearly something else. He says as we watch Croydon Borough Council bankrupting itself through malpractice in contracting that has been called out in Private Eye for years.

I mostly do public sector work, let on through publicly advertised tenders or frameworks. We don't do any entertainment of public officials, or anything like that. We just bid, build our reputation, and that's enough. We have an Australian office, and they complain that many similar opportunities in Australia are not publicly advertised, but sent around to a few companies the procurer knows. Breaking in is much harder there, because you do have to do things to bring yourself to their attention. Which is where the problems arise.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the procurement is perfectly on merit. Indeed we get infuriated by some of the nonsense that can go on, perverse marking systems, ridiculous prequalification criteria, lumping things together so that specialists can't bid for the things they specialise in. But these imperfections are mostly cock-up rather than conspiracy. Occasionally some of it is so stupid it makes you think it might be favouritism, especially when lots of suppliers are complaining about it and they turn a deaf ear. Though given so much of it is clearly bureaucracy gone mad, probably most of the rest is too.
I also deal with government procurement on a regular basis, and it's a cottage industry of under-qualified incompetents where strong personalities can get what they want. Most of the time they want business as usual.

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