Astonishing levels of government corruption

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by Rich Scopie » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:59 pm
plodder wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:46 pm
over £1bn (!) of PPE contracts have been issued to firms associated with an evangelical group, the Plymouth Brethren:

https://twitter.com/allthecitizens/stat ... 1709222913
And so what. Its only a story if people associated with the Plymouth Brethren have been given special favours.

I know someone who works for a Plymouth Brethren company, and they do, in fact, make PPE and other work related clothing lines (hi-vis etc). So they at least know what they're doing. I do get to hear a lot of weird stuff about them - but that's down to their particular beliefs, and not work related. :-)
It first was a rumour dismissed as a lie, but then came the evidence none could deny:
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by FlammableFlower » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 am

plodder wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 am
More incredible b.llsh.t:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... oronavirus
That is incredible levels of b.llsh.t. I've got students on placement at an actual pharma company that does proper CBD research - this bunch are just dicking about... (edited to remove the vaping bit - it appears they do creams too)...

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by discovolante » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:36 am

FlammableFlower wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 am
plodder wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 am
More incredible b.llsh.t:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... oronavirus
That is incredible levels of b.llsh.t. I've got students on placement at an actual pharma company that does proper CBD research - this bunch are just dicking about... (edited to remove the vaping bit - it appears they do creams too)...
How do you actually get CBD for clinical research?
don't get any big ideas, they're not gonna happen

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by Woodchopper » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:37 am

Rich Scopie wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 am
Woodchopper wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:59 pm
plodder wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:46 pm
over £1bn (!) of PPE contracts have been issued to firms associated with an evangelical group, the Plymouth Brethren:

https://twitter.com/allthecitizens/stat ... 1709222913
And so what. Its only a story if people associated with the Plymouth Brethren have been given special favours.

I know someone who works for a Plymouth Brethren company, and they do, in fact, make PPE and other work related clothing lines (hi-vis etc). So they at least know what they're doing. I do get to hear a lot of weird stuff about them - but that's down to their particular beliefs, and not work related. :-)
If they were already making PPE before the pandemic then they just got lucky. I expect that every UK company in the sector will have received massive contracts.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by plodder » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:04 am

The NAO have already criticised the gov for procuring via political contacts. The Good Law project are taking the gov to court in order to get the details. Many of the contracts have not been published even though they were issued months ago and there is a growing sense that the emergency procurement exercise was skewed heavily in favour of friends, relatives and contacts of ministers and donors.


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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by headshot » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:13 am

In totally unrelated news.
Coronavirus PPE: all 400,000 gowns flown from Turkey for NHS fail UK standards

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by FlammableFlower » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:28 pm

discovolante wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:36 am
FlammableFlower wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 am
plodder wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 am
More incredible b.llsh.t:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... oronavirus
That is incredible levels of b.llsh.t. I've got students on placement at an actual pharma company that does proper CBD research - this bunch are just dicking about... (edited to remove the vaping bit - it appears they do creams too)...
How do you actually get CBD for clinical research?
For starters you need a licence from the gov.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by veravista » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:27 am

Yes, so you could approach British Sugar who grow cannabis commercially. Their MD is (was) Paul Kenward, married to Victoria Atkins MP.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by TAFKAsoveda » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:34 am

Are all these “companies” just drop shipping PPE from AliExpress? That’s what it looks like the business model is.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by jimbob » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:45 am

TAFKAsoveda wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:34 am
Are all these “companies” just drop shipping PPE from AliExpress? That’s what it looks like the business model is.
It's probably Wish
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by monkey » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:42 pm

TAFKAsoveda wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:34 am
Are all these “companies” just drop shipping PPE from AliExpress? That’s what it looks like the business model is.
Pretty much. It's why things like this happen:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ave-labour

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by Rich Scopie » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 pm

Not sure where to put this - didn't think it deserved its own thread - but here seems as appropriate as anywhere.

School bully backs up other school bully, bullying bully enquiry head out of a job.
You couldn't make this sh.t up.
It first was a rumour dismissed as a lie, but then came the evidence none could deny:
a double page spread in the Sunday Express — the Russians are running the DHSS!

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by FlammableFlower » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pm

We really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by nezumi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:53 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pm
We really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?
Understatement of the year. This is far worse than anything I can remember, but then, I only became politically aware during the Major years.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by bagpuss » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:16 pm

nezumi wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:53 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pm
We really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?
Understatement of the year. This is far worse than anything I can remember, but then, I only became politically aware during the Major years.
Yes, maybe my memories are tinged with some kind of nostalgia, or I've just forgotten a heck of a lot (really very likely), but whereas I do remember sleazy behaviour, my memory is also that when it was discovered, people mostly resigned or were kicked out (frequently with the PM "standing by" them right up to just before the point where they went, usually within the week).

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by nezumi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:41 pm

bagpuss wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:16 pm
nezumi wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:53 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pm
We really are back to the early nineties levels of Tory sleaze, incompetence and nastiness, aren't we?
Understatement of the year. This is far worse than anything I can remember, but then, I only became politically aware during the Major years.
Yes, maybe my memories are tinged with some kind of nostalgia, or I've just forgotten a heck of a lot (really very likely), but whereas I do remember sleazy behaviour, my memory is also that when it was discovered, people mostly resigned or were kicked out (frequently with the PM "standing by" them right up to just before the point where they went, usually within the week).
That's what I recall too, I don't know what's more galling: The fact it's happening, the fact the perpetrators face no consequences, or the fact that there's so little outrage.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by Trinucleus » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:01 am

Rich Scopie wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 pm
Not sure where to put this - didn't think it deserved its own thread - but here seems as appropriate as anywhere.

School bully backs up other school bully, bullying bully enquiry head out of a job.
You couldn't make this sh.t up.
Classic political speak:

"Did you pressure Sir Alex to change his conclusions Prime Minister?"

"His conclusions are all his own"

Translation: "yes I did, but he wouldn't budge"

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by dyqik » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:29 am

Trinucleus wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:01 am
Rich Scopie wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 pm
Not sure where to put this - didn't think it deserved its own thread - but here seems as appropriate as anywhere.

School bully backs up other school bully, bullying bully enquiry head out of a job.
You couldn't make this sh.t up.
Classic political speak:

"Did you pressure Sir Alex to change his conclusions Prime Minister?"

"His conclusions are all his own"

Translation: "yes I did, but he wouldn't budge"
To which the response is:
"Did you threaten to overrule him?"

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by Trinucleus » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:53 am

And to save time Boris would just say no

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by snoozeofreason » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:16 pm

Apparently Johnson wanted the Patel report to be "palatable". But it's pretty typical to stipulate that putative Priti Patel position papers be palatable.
In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them. The human body was knocked up pretty late on the Friday afternoon, with a deadline looming. How well do you expect it to work?

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by JQH » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:12 pm

As Home Secretary Priti Patel will be in charge of the security services.


I can't help thinking she has something really juicy on Johnson.
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by plodder » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:06 pm

The Good Law Project have published their papers:

https://goodlawproject.org/update/the-ppe-fiasco/

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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption

Post by bjn » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:45 pm

plodder wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:06 pm
The Good Law Project have published their papers:

https://goodlawproject.org/update/the-ppe-fiasco/
Tx. Money donated.

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