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Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:55 pm
by plodder
The gov doesn’t intend to publish details of the “priority lane” (ie friends and family) contracts as there may be “commercial issues”
https://mobile.twitter.com/allthecitize ... 3214059527
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:02 pm
by plodder
More details from the guy behind the good law project:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JolyonMaugha ... 8464155648
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:18 pm
by bjn
It makes you want to go all Jacobin and start burning things. Not that I will, but damn someone needs to be in prison.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:22 pm
by AMS
That's mafia-level corruption if true.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:32 pm
by plodder
yes. the sort of corruption we’d expect to see in other countries, but not behind the special firewall of decency that magically protects the UK.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:40 pm
by Gfamily
Mmm, yes -
already mentioned - but if it has more traction here..
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:28 am
by Bird on a Fire
plodder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:32 pm
yes. the sort of corruption we’d expect to see in other countries, but not behind the special firewall of decency that magically protects the UK.
I think it is fairly unusual amongst wealthy Northwest European democracies in recent decades, IMHO probably for systematic reasons which for whatever reason do not currently apply to the UK.
I mean amongst governments - plenty of financial sectors are this corrupt. Maybe the UK financial sector has greater influence over its government?
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:48 am
by Woodchopper
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:28 am
plodder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:32 pm
yes. the sort of corruption we’d expect to see in other countries, but not behind the special firewall of decency that magically protects the UK.
I think it is fairly unusual amongst wealthy Northwest European democracies in recent decades, IMHO probably for systematic reasons which for whatever reason do not currently apply to the UK.
Not that unusual amongst Noerhwest European governments
eg
https://www.thelocal.de/20160502/police ... stleblower
https://www.handelsblatt.com/english/co ... 40310.html
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:17 pm
by JQH
AMS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:22 pm
That's mafia-level corruption if true.
If.
There doesn't appear to be any actual evidence.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:41 pm
by plodder
that’s not what the judge thinks who has agreed that the good law project have sufficient grounds to take the government to court...
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:01 pm
by jimbob
Don't forget the Belgian cabinet minister arrested for arranging a mafia hit on another minister in the 1990s
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:43 pm
by AMS
I realised earlier today that this particular style of corruption is very reminiscent of how Putin and his cronies operate.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:51 pm
by JQH
plodder wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:41 pm
that’s not what the judge thinks who has agreed that the good law project have sufficient grounds to take the government to court...
Well it's good that there is evidence. My point was that the Twitter thread didn't present anything beyond "I got this from a reliable source". I look forward to the court hearings.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:04 pm
by Gfamily
JQH wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:51 pm
plodder wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:41 pm
that’s not what the judge thinks who has agreed that the good law project have sufficient grounds to take the government to court...
Well it's good that there is evidence. My point was that the Twitter thread didn't present anything beyond "I got this from a reliable source". I look forward to the court hearings.
It's a tricky question...
At what point does something transition from 'claim' to 'evidence'
And yes; you're right to challenge the 'unsubstantiated' claims; but it may be ideological to know whether to disregard them.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:22 pm
by discovolante
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the judicial reviews about the gov failing to comply with rules regarding tendering processes and so on rather than specifically cancelling contracts and offering them to other companies (and bribery)?
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:02 am
by AMS
discovolante wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:22 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the judicial reviews about the gov failing to comply with rules regarding tendering processes and so on rather than specifically cancelling contracts and offering them to other companies (and bribery)?
Maybe yes, but imagine cancelling existing contracts and offering them to others for bribes would count as a breach of the tendering rules.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:14 am
by discovolante
AMS wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:02 am
discovolante wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:22 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the judicial reviews about the gov failing to comply with rules regarding tendering processes and so on rather than specifically cancelling contracts and offering them to other companies (and bribery)?
Maybe yes, but imagine cancelling existing contracts and offering them to others for bribes would count as a breach of the tendering rules.
It would I'm sure, but plodder seems to be suggesting that the info in the twitter thread forms part of the existing proceedings and has been considered by the court, which as far as I can see doesn't seem to be the case.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:34 am
by plodder
Disco is correct however the GLP is saying they've got multiple cases in the pipeline. They're also saying they can prove the latest stories and of course there are significant reputational risks if they're bullshitting. JQH is correct to say it's a case of Watch This Space.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:25 am
by Little waster
discovolante wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:36 am
FlammableFlower wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:15 am
That is incredible levels of b.llsh.t. I've got students on placement at an actual pharma company that does proper CBD research - this bunch are just dicking about... (edited to remove the vaping bit - it appears they do creams too)...
How do you actually get CBD for clinical research?
Just catching up this thread.
By growing a huge greenhouse full of cannabis plants in a top-secret location ... just off the M20. Say hi to Dave from me.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:31 pm
by malbui
Little waster wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:25 am
By growing a huge greenhouse full of cannabis plants in a top-secret location ... just off the M20. Say hi to Dave from me.
To be fair people living along the M20 corridor are going to need as much chemical assistance as they can find when their front gardens start turning into outdoor toilets in a few weeks.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:31 pm
by Bird on a Fire
malbui wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:31 pm
Little waster wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:25 am
By growing a huge greenhouse full of cannabis plants in a top-secret location ... just off the M20. Say hi to Dave from me.
To be fair people living along the M20 corridor are going to need as much chemical assistance as they can find when their front gardens start turning into outdoor toilets in a few weeks.
In the sleepy Hampshire village I spent some years as a child, little old ladies would pop into the road after horses had past, and shovel their droppings into a wheelbarrow to use on the veg patch / rose garden.
I like to imagine that the little old ladies of Kent will be similarly enterprising about their new source of fertilizer from lorry-driver middens.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:19 am
by Woodchopper
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:31 pm
malbui wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:31 pm
Little waster wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:25 am
By growing a huge greenhouse full of cannabis plants in a top-secret location ... just off the M20. Say hi to Dave from me.
To be fair people living along the M20 corridor are going to need as much chemical assistance as they can find when their front gardens start turning into outdoor toilets in a few weeks.
In the sleepy Hampshire village I spent some years as a child, little old ladies would pop into the road after horses had past, and shovel their droppings into a wheelbarrow to use on the veg patch / rose garden.
I like to imagine that the little old ladies of Kent will be similarly enterprising about their new source of fertilizer from lorry-driver middens.
Better the rose garden than the lettuce patch.
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:38 am
by Woodchopper
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:57 am
by plodder
Related:
https://www.ft.com/content/41d5fe0a-7b4 ... pe=blocked
To bypass the paywall google (in private mode) A giant bonfire of taxpayers’ money’: fraud and the UK pandemic loan scheme
"The government just wanted the money out there". I kind of get it. Scheme's still open!
Re: Astonishing levels of government corruption
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:19 am
by plodder