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Windrush

Post by discovolante » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:32 pm

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Re: Windrush

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:26 am

The government gets stick for bringing in consultancy firms to do work that should probably be done by civil servants, but then when they put a bunch of civil servants in charge of something it seems they have no shortage of racist c.nts, at least at the Home Office.

This story comes on top of many years of their inhumanity on other topics, arguably coming full circle since it was wilful refusal to look at evidence that led to the Windrush deportations in the first place. And then the treatment of asylum seekers and EU nationals. Of course, the issues start at the top with Tory ministers, but let's not imagine for a minute that the civil service is going to resist. At best they will ask for one of those letters with a special name (which I have forgotten) that means "The minister told me to do it, in so many words" and thus invoke the Nuremberg defence.
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Re: Windrush

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:26 am
The government gets stick for bringing in consultancy firms to do work that should probably be done by civil servants, but then when they put a bunch of civil servants in charge of something it seems they have no shortage of racist c.nts, at least at the Home Office.
I think this issue comes down to, "Who will effect more racism - racist c.nts, or consultants employed by racist c.nts?" If I understand Tory ideology correctly, the profit motive and competition within the pure free-market process of contemporary Conservative government procurement would ensure that consultants employed by the racist c.nts at the Home Office would end up with outcomes far more racist than the Home Office themselves would manage. Therefore, to be internally consistent as a modern, anti-racist party of the economic right, the Tories would have to stop hiring consultants until the Home Office isn't racist (possibly with an exception for anti-racism consultants).


What does it say about a society that the permanent staff of its government department responsible for 'law & order' is institutionally racist?
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Re: Windrush

Post by sTeamTraen » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:59 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 pm
What does it say about a society that the permanent staff of its government department responsible for 'law & order' is institutionally racist?
Indeed, especially since I had the impression that civil servants were generally reasonably well-educated people --- indeed, they seem to be regarded by Brexiteers as died-in-the-wool soft-lefty Remoaners, a position that I never found totally implausible. Maybe the Home Office creams off(*) the ones at the racist end of the distribution early in the process.

(*) In many languages, the verb used to mean "cream off" implies the removal of scum.
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Re: Windrush

Post by jimbob » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:06 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:59 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:43 pm
What does it say about a society that the permanent staff of its government department responsible for 'law & order' is institutionally racist?
Indeed, especially since I had the impression that civil servants were generally reasonably well-educated people --- indeed, they seem to be regarded by Brexiteers as died-in-the-wool soft-lefty Remoaners, a position that I never found totally implausible. Maybe the Home Office creams off(*) the ones at the racist end of the distribution early in the process.

(*) In many languages, the verb used to mean "cream off" implies the removal of scum.
Home Secretaries in my adult life have tended to be rather too keen on Lawn Order and not sufficiently concerned with civil liberties or overreach or miscarriages of justice. I guess that might affect those who want to work in the Home Office - and especially those who are more enthusiastic in their implementation of such departmental policies.
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Re: Windrush

Post by sTeamTraen » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:04 am

jimbob wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:06 am
Home Secretaries in my adult life have tended to be rather too keen on Lawn Order and not sufficiently concerned with civil liberties or overreach or miscarriages of justice. I guess that might affect those who want to work in the Home Office - and especially those who are more enthusiastic in their implementation of such departmental policies.
If I had to have the current government, and I had to have Michael Gove in it, I think he might do less damage as Home Secretary (a) than at many other departments and (b) than many other people. He showed signs of genuine liberalism as Justice Secretary.
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Re: Windrush

Post by PeteB » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:18 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:04 am
If I had to have the current government, and I had to have Michael Gove in it, I think he might do less damage as Home Secretary (a) than at many other departments and (b) than many other people. He showed signs of genuine liberalism as Justice Secretary.
I was hoping Gove replaces Johnson rather than Sunak (I hate then both but I think Gove will do less damage)

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Re: Windrush

Post by discovolante » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:07 pm

It's just sadly not all that surprising that an organisation with a long history of killing, or directly and indirectly contributing to the deaths of people of colour has turned out to be not very good at giving money to black people and I'm sorry that Alexandra Ankrah has had to put her neck on the line to expose this.

Who've we got? Paulette Wilson, Manuel Bravo, Joy Gardner, Jimmy Mubenga, etc...there have been hunger strikes at Yarl's Wood, and I know we are comparing contractors vs 'in-house' civil servants but last year between about 150 and 300 refused asylum seekers in Glasgow nearly had their locks changed on them so they would have been just left in the streets with literally nowhere to go: https://theferret.scot/serco-judgement- ... ck-change/ hard to imagine that that wouldn't have killed some of them.
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Re: Windrush

Post by EACLucifer » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:10 pm

discovolante wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:07 pm
It's just sadly not all that surprising that an organisation with a long history of killing, or directly and indirectly contributing to the deaths of people of colour has turned out to be not very good at giving money to black people and I'm sorry that Alexandra Ankrah has had to put her neck on the line to expose this.

Who've we got? Paulette Wilson, Manuel Bravo, Joy Gardner, Jimmy Mubenga, etc...there have been hunger strikes at Yarl's Wood, and I know we are comparing contractors vs 'in-house' civil servants but last year between about 150 and 300 refused asylum seekers in Glasgow nearly had their locks changed on them so they would have been just left in the streets with literally nowhere to go: https://theferret.scot/serco-judgement- ... ck-change/ hard to imagine that that wouldn't have killed some of them.
Yeah. Organisation that dehumanises people on racist and xenophobic grounds not treating people like humans non-shocker, sadly.

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Re: Windrush

Post by discovolante » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:05 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dbkWi7eoyQ

“The Home Office did not comply with its obligations under the public sector equality policy and that failing has absolutely contributed to the serious injustices that were experienced by the Windrush generation.”

"There was a misconception by some officials that immigration was exempt from all equalities legislation.”
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Re: Windrush

Post by jimbob » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:15 am

discovolante wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:05 am
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dbkWi7eoyQ

“The Home Office did not comply with its obligations under the public sector equality policy and that failing has absolutely contributed to the serious injustices that were experienced by the Windrush generation.”

"There was a misconception by some officials that immigration was exempt from all equalities legislation.”
I wish I was shocked at that instead of just disgusted.
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