I don’t think the British will be involved, I was straying from the title of the thread to talk about wars more generally.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:08 pmThere's no global strategic interests in water wars. Why would anyone give a sh.t if Sudan invades Ethiopia to control a river?
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Certainly. Though sea level rises and drought are happening slowly. The migration out of cities affected by both will probably happen at a similar timescale - eg people move out of low lying areas after the third serious flood in fifteen years, or people move out of a drought stricken city because the price of water has got too high.Grumble wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:22 pmIf city populations are forced to move rather than farmers then there will be an intensification of problemsWoodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:10 pmCertainly, but that will probably happen over a long time. What we are seeing in Nigeria and the Sahel is that migrations south by cattle herders are leading to conflict with farmers who are used to using the land and water resources for growing crops. There's a lot of conflict at the village level, but so far not something we'd call a war.
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People might take notice if India and Pakistan started seriously going at it over water though, which is on the cards.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:08 pmThere's no global strategic interests in water wars. Why would anyone give a sh.t if Sudan invades Ethiopia to control a river?
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We'll have to see. That article is from February 2019 though.secret squirrel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:13 pmPeople might take notice if India and Pakistan started seriously going at it over water though, which is on the cards.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:08 pmThere's no global strategic interests in water wars. Why would anyone give a sh.t if Sudan invades Ethiopia to control a river?
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EFASciolus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:20 amCompare and contrast:
- Prime minister sends British expeditionary force to the middle east to overthrow an evil mass-murdering tyrant, with f.ck all of a postwar plan, with the support of parliament, because oil.
- Prime minister sends small detachment of British radar operators to the middle east to help stop oil installation benefical to uk national interest being blown up by other regime at least as bad id not worse. because oil.
Also , note, “the oil industry” is really the vast state enterprises - aramco, pdvsa, etc. Compared to them the “oil majors” are a couple of tramps with a cup of grease.
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We'll just add it to the water and solve two problems at once*.Blackcountryboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:05 amI wonder when we will have our first Lithium war.
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This was just the first article on the subject I could find. I got the general idea from a lecture on the long term effects of climate change on geopolitics, which unfortunately I now can't find.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:22 pmWe'll have to see. That article is from February 2019 though.
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I bet you a million barrels of oil there are similar India vs Pakistan/China water war stories from the 1970s. Maybe from 1947. It's one of the things that stay on the horizon, like fusion power.secret squirrel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:12 pmThis was just the first article on the subject I could find. I got the general idea from a lecture on the long term effects of climate change on geopolitics, which unfortunately I now can't find.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:22 pmWe'll have to see. That article is from February 2019 though.
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The point is that climate change will make the water situation a lot worse, making confrontation between India and Pakistan over water much more likely in the future.lpm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:55 pmI bet you a million barrels of oil there are similar India vs Pakistan/China water war stories from the 1970s. Maybe from 1947. It's one of the things that stay on the horizon, like fusion power.secret squirrel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:12 pmThis was just the first article on the subject I could find. I got the general idea from a lecture on the long term effects of climate change on geopolitics, which unfortunately I now can't find.
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Plus increased urbanisation making different demands on existing water infrastructure - instead of a thousand village boreholes you need something centralised. This leads to conflicts when rivers or aquifers cross borders, for instance.
Water wars seem to be quite a serious prediction for this century. It's perhaps worth remembering that improving water infrastructure was one of the ways Islamic State built its support base in rural communities.
Water wars seem to be quite a serious prediction for this century. It's perhaps worth remembering that improving water infrastructure was one of the ways Islamic State built its support base in rural communities.
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