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monkey wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:34 pm

I'm feeling better too! Almost back to normal, except for the arm.

nezumi wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:44 pm

monkey wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:34 pm

I'm feeling better too! Almost back to normal, except for the arm.

Mate, I'm umming and ahhing about whether I should go back to bed. It's not pain, it's just general achey malaise and an inbaility to think straight.

monkey wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:02 pm

nezumi wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:44 pm

monkey wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:34 pm

I'm feeling better too! Almost back to normal, except for the arm.

Mate, I'm umming and ahhing about whether I should go back to bed. It's not pain, it's just general achey malaise and an inbaility to think straight.

Sorry, cos you mentioned work I thought you were better than that. Hope you're better soon, and you don't think I'm gloating!

gosling wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:01 pm

Mrs Gos (council adult social care OT) had hers a couple of weeks ago. She and most of the others in her team reported flu-like symptoms for a day or so afterwards. They all had the Oxford/AZ one.

My 74-year-old mum had Pfizer at the end of last week - sore arm that day, but only a bit stiff the day after.

I'm in the Novavax trial - most of us are convinced we had the placebo as there were so few reported side effects. Hope that one gets approved soon.

gosling wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:01 pm

I'm in the Novavax trial - most of us are convinced we had the placebo as there were so few reported side effects. Hope that one gets approved soon.

Sciolus wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:56 am

gosling wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:01 pm

I'm in the Novavax trial - most of us are convinced we had the placebo as there were so few reported side effects. Hope that one gets approved soon.

I was wondering -- presumably you get told at some point so that you know whether you still need a real dose?

London doctors say they are running out of priority patients to vaccinate
Frustrated medics say they fear lives will be lost unless they can immunise outside of the four priority cohorts

discovolante wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:23 am

My friend was in the Oxford trial and had to wait quite a bit before it was unblinded...but once it was done but before the unblinding it was basically up to her whether to get a jab or not (she works in health and social care), but they recommended not to for Reasons.

I mean I guess if you're eligible for a jab you're eligible, they can't actually stop you!

headshot wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -vaccinate

London doctors say they are running out of priority patients to vaccinate
Frustrated medics say they fear lives will be lost unless they can immunise outside of the four priority cohorts

Which is weird because there are lots of people on here outside of those four priority groups who either had their first dose, or know someone who has.

Are they just being too rules focussed and not using their initiative to start on the other cohorts?

JQH wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:39 pm

headshot wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -vaccinate

London doctors say they are running out of priority patients to vaccinate
Frustrated medics say they fear lives will be lost unless they can immunise outside of the four priority cohorts

Which is weird because there are lots of people on here outside of those four priority groups who either had their first dose, or know someone who has.

Are they just being too rules focussed and not using their initiative to start on the other cohorts?

Does seem odd. I'm in group 6, for example and I had the first dose yesterday. I suspect doctors in my area are ignoring centralised blather as much as possible. I hope they continue trying to contact folks in the top 4 priority groups though.

headshot wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -vaccinate

London doctors say they are running out of priority patients to vaccinate
Frustrated medics say they fear lives will be lost unless they can immunise outside of the four priority cohorts

Which is weird because there are lots of people on here outside of those four priority groups who either had their first dose, or know someone who has.

Are they just being too rules focussed and not using their initiative to start on the other cohorts?

...a standoff between a GP network in Sussex which received 1,000 more Pfizer doses than expected last Thursday, double the number it planned to administer.

The practice manager told the Guardian they tried to refuse the delivery, saying they didn’t have enough staff or eligible patients to use up the doses. They offered to transfer the surplus to a neighbouring clinic but were told by NHS England they couldn’t. Only when the manager threatened to bin all of the medicine did NHS England back down and allow the transfer to take place.

Dr Gavin Shields, a GP at Allesley Park Medical Centre and vice-chair of the Coventry local medical committee, said his primary care network had hundreds of unused vaccine doses, having vaccinated all top four cohorts.

“We’ve got vaccines now that we can’t use, because we can’t go outside the cohorts and start inviting under-70s yet, and there’s still an inequity about coverage across the area, and across the country,” he said.

lpm wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm

They must have you down as a 6, surely. At risk. They can only just have started 5 and 6. Or was it a last minute call up?

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:34 pm

In Texas, a doctor was fired and charged with theft because he had spare vaccine doses and, having spent hours trying to find suitable recipients, gave the last dose to his (clinically vulnerable) wife.

I don't know what the DA was thinking.

Fortunately, the judge threw out the case. But he's still lost his job.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/h ... ccine.html

jdc wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:34 pm

In Texas, a doctor was fired and charged with theft because he had spare vaccine doses and, having spent hours trying to find suitable recipients, gave the last dose to his (clinically vulnerable) wife.

I don't know what the DA was thinking.

Fortunately, the judge threw out the case. But he's still lost his job.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/h ... ccine.html

The guidance here makes sure to point out that the vaccines "remain the property of" NHS England and it's all MUST and MUST NOT rather than should and should not. I think I'd be a bit cautious about ignoring the rules if it was me that was running a GP practice.

jdc wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:18 pm

There's been a bit of tension between NHS England and GP surgeries over the rules at times: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... of-england

Dr Gavin Shields, a GP at Allesley Park Medical Centre and vice-chair of the Coventry local medical committee, said his primary care network had hundreds of unused vaccine doses, having vaccinated all top four cohorts.

“We’ve got vaccines now that we can’t use, because we can’t go outside the cohorts and start inviting under-70s yet, and there’s still an inequity about coverage across the area, and across the country,” he said.

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:14 pm

jdc wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:34 pm

In Texas, a doctor was fired and charged with theft because he had spare vaccine doses and, having spent hours trying to find suitable recipients, gave the last dose to his (clinically vulnerable) wife.

I don't know what the DA was thinking.

Fortunately, the judge threw out the case. But he's still lost his job.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/h ... ccine.html

The guidance here makes sure to point out that the vaccines "remain the property of" NHS England and it's all MUST and MUST NOT rather than should and should not. I think I'd be a bit cautious about ignoring the rules if it was me that was running a GP practice.

For those who haven't read the NYTtimes article, the Texas doctor was at a vaccination centre that was near the end of the day when an eligible patient turned up, which required the opening of a fresh 10/11 capacity vial.
The vial thus had 9 or 10 doses available that would have to be used in the next few hours or disposed of.
The Doctor spent hours trying to find recipients for the available doses, travelling to deliver them where the recipients didn't have transport.
In the last few minutes, with 3 patients confirmed for the last 3 doses, one of them called to say they wouldn't be able to make it. so the GP gave the last dose to his wife rather than let it go to waste.

A co-worker reported him.

JQH wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:39 pm

headshot wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -vaccinate

London doctors say they are running out of priority patients to vaccinate
Frustrated medics say they fear lives will be lost unless they can immunise outside of the four priority cohorts

Which is weird because there are lots of people on here outside of those four priority groups who either had their first dose, or know someone who has.

Are they just being too rules focussed and not using their initiative to start on the other cohorts?

Does seem odd. I'm in group 6, for example and I had the first dose yesterday. I suspect doctors in my area are ignoring centralised blather as much as possible. I hope they continue trying to contact folks in the top 4 priority groups though.