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Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:22 pm
by Aitch
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm
We had a fancy kitchenaid toaster (dont ask me, gf wanted it), which developed some unfortunate will of its own and refused to toast evenly, go "bing" when it's finished (told you its fancy) and just generally looked at me funny. It was barely 6 months old.
So we send it back to the manufacturer for repair (and at that price, a damn apology as well), to be fair they repaired it quickly, mailed it back and now it's stuck in a lorry park in Belgium, until the paperwork is clear, which we were told may take till March.
Meanwhile, no toast for me
My previous toaster (£10 job from Argos) actually exploded - big red flash, loud bang, stopped working.
Fortunately it had just finished toasting the bread that was in it, so I coulld have breakfast before sloping down to where ever I got my new one...
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:41 pm
by warumich
Yikes! Prefer stuck in Belgium then
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:09 pm
by headshot
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm
Meanwhile, no toast for me
Got a grill, or an open fire?
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:48 pm
So then gf and man from kitchenaid had a brief bonding moment about how stupid British people are
Point of order: 27% of British people.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:20 pm
by shpalman
headshot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:09 pm
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm
Meanwhile, no toast for me
Got a grill, or an open fire?
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:48 pm
So then gf and man from kitchenaid had a brief bonding moment about how stupid British people are
Point of order: 27% of British people.
You don't get to assume that those who didn't turn out were all less stupid than that.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:25 pm
by headshot
shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:20 pm
headshot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:09 pm
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm
Meanwhile, no toast for me
Got a grill, or an open fire?
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:48 pm
So then gf and man from kitchenaid had a brief bonding moment about how stupid British people are
Point of order: 27% of British people.
You don't get to assume that those who didn't turn out were all less stupid than that.
It’s all I have. Don’t take it away from me.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:38 pm
by warumich
headshot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:09 pm
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm
Meanwhile, no toast for me
Got a grill, or an open fire?
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:48 pm
So then gf and man from kitchenaid had a brief bonding moment about how stupid British people are
Point of order: 27% of British people.
Yea, point taken, unfortunately that's the narrative that has now ossified on the continent, particularly since the Boris landslide last year has demonstrated that this wasn't an isolated moment of collective madness. You should see some of the comments on German / French / Polish twitter
It'll take a long while before the damage is repaired. Powerful thing, a narrative.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:04 pm
by Trinucleus
plodder wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:50 am
malbui wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:41 pm
nezumi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:09 pm
I doubt I've eaten 19 kg of seafood in my entire life. Can't abide it.
I could probably get through 19kg a week if I put my mind to it #scallops #filetsdeperche #bacalhau
We have scallop week where all the restaurants feature them. The good chippy does battered scallops and chips and they are utterly sublime.
As a young man I ordered a scallop in a chip shop, which turned out to be a battered slice of potato
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:13 pm
by plodder
Ah yeah, that’s a regional thing.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:36 pm
by jdc
nekomatic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:52 am
Back on topic, this ‘we can just eat spider crabs and megrim’ is exactly like all the other ‘we can just’s, from ‘grow our own vegetables’ through ‘revive our own car makers’ to ‘have an empire again’. If people wanted any of them they would already have been happening, so if they weren’t happening then they’re not going to start happening without some sort of adjustment, which is going to involve either the price of what used to happen going up, or some sort of legislative intervention or coercion to stop people doing what they previously chose to do. In other words, someone is not going to like it.
Yeah, if my attack ads don't work, the government are going to have to find another way to put people off buying Eurofish. There'll need to be tariffs on Pink Stinkfish and Shitflake or something.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:57 pm
by JQH
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:38 pm
headshot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:09 pm
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm
Meanwhile, no toast for me
Got a grill, or an open fire?
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:48 pm
So then gf and man from kitchenaid had a brief bonding moment about how stupid British people are
Point of order: 27% of British people.
Yea, point taken, unfortunately that's the narrative that has now ossified on the continent, particularly since the Boris landslide last year has demonstrated that this wasn't an isolated moment of collective madness. You should see some of the comments on German / French / Polish twitter
It'll take a long while before the damage is repaired. Powerful thing, a narrative.
I don't think the mainland Twitterers are entirely wrong. As Schpalman points out above, the people who couldn't be arsed voting in the referendum contributed to Leave's victory. Annd again, though FPTP allowed Johnson a huge majority on 45% of the votes cast, the non-voters take the stupidity factor over 50%
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:51 pm
by Herainestold
jdc wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:36 pm
nekomatic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:52 am
Back on topic, this ‘we can just eat spider crabs and megrim’ is exactly like all the other ‘we can just’s, from ‘grow our own vegetables’ through ‘revive our own car makers’ to ‘have an empire again’. If people wanted any of them they would already have been happening, so if they weren’t happening then they’re not going to start happening without some sort of adjustment, which is going to involve either the price of what used to happen going up, or some sort of legislative intervention or coercion to stop people doing what they previously chose to do. In other words, someone is not going to like it.
Yeah, if my attack ads don't work, the government are going to have to find another way to put people off buying Eurofish. There'll need to be tariffs on Pink Stinkfish and Shitflake or something.
We can do that now that we are out of the EU. Should we do it? I don't know.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:41 pm
by shpalman
The idea that only 27% of British people voted for Brexit, well it's still more than voted Remain.
It was something like 37% vs. 35% of those eligible to vote.
The British people really are that stupid. They've been voting further and further right. We all like the idea of PR but UKIP would have won loads of seats.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:26 pm
by plodder
You’re forgetting who was campaigning for remain. The Cameron Corbyn dream team.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:33 pm
by shpalman
Well, people voted for both of those two, either of leaders of their parties or in Cameron's case, prime minister also.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:53 pm
by Blackcountryboy
Does anyone know whether we have concluded a fishing agreement with Norway?
We fished in Norwegian waters, prior to end 2020, under the agreement between Norway and the EU. The last I saw was in The Times on 17 January 2021, an article about a trawler, which caught 8% to 12% of the fish sold in British fish and chip shops is in port because no agreement has yet been concluded.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ther ... -mxsmzlxxw
Bit of background here:
https://www.kluge.no/fagforum/brexit-an ... 0UK%20EEZs
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:14 pm
by plodder
shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:33 pm
Well, people voted for both of those two, either of leaders of their parties or in Cameron's case, prime minister also.
Supports the Britain is thick argument rather than Britain is increasingly right wing.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:44 am
by Millennie Al
shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:41 pm
We all like the idea of PR but UKIP would have won loads of seats.
PR covers many systems. With a party list system, UKIP would indeed have done quite well, but a party list system is terrible. With STV and multi-member constituencies, they may well have not got many seats (this system removes the problem of wasted votes, so people vote more sincerely). But in any case, democracy means you represent the people fairly. If you try to bias the result to avoid results you don't like, you end up making things worse - such as in the UK where a minority of votes cast routinely results in a group of people with a majority in the Commons.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am
by Martin Y
shpalman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:41 pm
The idea that only 27% of British people voted for Brexit, well it's still more than voted Remain.
It was something like 37% vs. 35% of those eligible to vote.
The British people really are that stupid. They've been voting further and further right. We all like the idea of PR but UKIP would have won loads of seats.
I don't want to try to gainsay the idea that people are remarkably stupid and gullible but I think it's worth noting the asymmetry of the campaign.
On one side there were people who hated the EU for their various reasons, and they had gathered an orc army of Mail and Express readers raised on a decades-long drip of poisonous anti-EU propaganda, while on the other hand there were a tiny number of people who really loved and cared about the EU project and a great mass of others who honestly didn't really give a sh.t about it but could perhaps see that breaking away from an enormous, rich trading bloc was probably stupid. The Remain problem was trying to engage people who didn't have any gut feeling of loyalty to being "Europeans" and likely were turned off by "ever closer union" bluster to at least summon enough enthusiasm to vote against the wreckers. In the end it was a perfect storm of stupid, topped off by fears of Syrian refugees, Polish plumbers and 75 million Turks all turning out to be ISIS coming to murder us in our beds.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:55 am
by dyqik
plodder wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:26 pm
You’re forgetting who was campaigning for remain. The Cameron Corbyn dream team.
[Citation needed] that Corbyn was campaigning for Remain.
/s
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:02 am
by Martin Y
dyqik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:55 am
plodder wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:26 pm
You’re forgetting who was campaigning for remain. The Cameron Corbyn dream team.
[Citation needed] that Corbyn was campaigning for Remain.
/s
The Invisible Man was one element of the perfect storm.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:10 pm
by Herainestold
Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am
I don't want to try to gainsay the idea that people are remarkably stupid and gullible but I think it's worth noting the asymmetry of the campaign.
On one side there were people who hated the EU for their various reasons, and they had gathered an orc army of Mail and Express readers raised on a decades-long drip of poisonous anti-EU propaganda, while on the other hand there were a tiny number of people who really loved and cared about the EU project and a great mass of others who honestly didn't really give a sh.t about it but could perhaps see that breaking away from an enormous, rich trading bloc was probably stupid. The Remain problem was trying to engage people who didn't have any gut feeling of loyalty to being "Europeans" and likely were turned off by "ever closer union" bluster to at least summon enough enthusiasm to vote against the wreckers. In the end it was a perfect storm of stupid, topped off by fears of Syrian refugees, Polish plumbers and 75 million Turks all turning out to be ISIS coming to murder us in our beds.
This is why I am a democracy skeptic.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:59 pm
by Martin Y
Herainestold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:10 pm
Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am
I don't want to try to gainsay the idea that people are remarkably stupid and gullible but I think it's worth noting the asymmetry of the campaign.
On one side there were people who hated the EU for their various reasons, and they had gathered an orc army of Mail and Express readers raised on a decades-long drip of poisonous anti-EU propaganda, while on the other hand there were a tiny number of people who really loved and cared about the EU project and a great mass of others who honestly didn't really give a sh.t about it but could perhaps see that breaking away from an enormous, rich trading bloc was probably stupid. The Remain problem was trying to engage people who didn't have any gut feeling of loyalty to being "Europeans" and likely were turned off by "ever closer union" bluster to at least summon enough enthusiasm to vote against the wreckers. In the end it was a perfect storm of stupid, topped off by fears of Syrian refugees, Polish plumbers and 75 million Turks all turning out to be ISIS coming to murder us in our beds.
This is why I am a democracy skeptic.
Someone once claimed
there's never been a famine in a functioning democracy. Contentious, but it at least makes you appreciate that stupid is relative.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm
by Little waster
Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:59 pm
Someone once claimed
there's never been a famine in a functioning democracy. Contentious, but it at least makes you appreciate that stupid is relative.
Give Brexit a few more weeks ...
Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm
by Martin Y
Little waster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:08 pm
Martin Y wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:59 pm
Someone once claimed
there's never been a famine in a functioning democracy. Contentious, but it at least makes you appreciate that stupid is relative.
Give Brexit a few more weeks ...
Though perhaps "functioning" is the key here.
"Functioning" is the "no true Scotsman" of famines. If you see any sign that our government isn't functioning then it's time to panic.
Oh. f.ck.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:10 am
by Rich Scopie
Aitch wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:22 pm
warumich wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm
We had a fancy kitchenaid toaster (dont ask me, gf wanted it), which developed some unfortunate will of its own and refused to toast evenly, go "bing" when it's finished (told you its fancy) and just generally looked at me funny. It was barely 6 months old.
So we send it back to the manufacturer for repair (and at that price, a damn apology as well), to be fair they repaired it quickly, mailed it back and now it's stuck in a lorry park in Belgium, until the paperwork is clear, which we were told may take till March.
Meanwhile, no toast for me
My previous toaster (£10 job from Argos) actually exploded - big red flash, loud bang, stopped working.
Fortunately it had just finished toasting the bread that was in it, so I could have breakfast before sloping down to where ever I got my new one...
To go with my George Foreman Grill, I bought a Frank Bruno Toaster. Useless. Two rounds and it was f.cked.