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Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:26 pm
by dyqik
plodder wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:30 pm
no, politically impossible. remember all those options being put before a hung parliament, failing to get approval, followed by the general election?
Because members and supporters of the current government prevented it, in other words.

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:28 pm
by shpalman
dyqik wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:26 pm
plodder wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:30 pm
no, politically impossible. remember all those options being put before a hung parliament, failing to get approval, followed by the general election?
Because members and supporters of the current government prevented it, in other words.
Such that the government ended up having to accept whatever worse deal was on the table when the clock ran out.

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:43 pm
by plodder
which is a pretty awesome definition of "politically impossible", thanks

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:53 pm
by IvanV
F Scott Fitzgerald wrote:The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
Though I guess, like all the best quotes, it is apocryphal. Nevertheless, on such grounds one might suspect Dominic Cummings of a first-rate intelligence. If one believes he retains the ability to function.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57882892 wrote:But, Mr Cummings tells the BBC that anyone who says they are sure, five years after the result, that Brexit is a good thing must "have a screw loose".

However, he adds: "Obviously I think Brexit was a good thing."

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:51 pm
by Sciolus
There are lots of things I think that I'm not sure of.

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:26 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Sciolus wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:51 pm
There are lots of things I think that I'm not sure of.
There's a quote I've been trying to track down, along the following lines but I'm sure I'll butcher it.

Basically a reasonable person proceeds as if all of their beliefs are true, but also that any one of their beliefs might turn out to be false, simultaneously.

Sounds about right to me.

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:30 am
by plodder
Here’s a lukewarm take on the UK’s command paper: https://mobile.twitter.com/AntonSpisak/ ... 6591070208

The only thing I think they’ve missed is that we’re playing for time - which is why we don’t mind if the conversations are difficult or protracted. Fun trying to guess which points we’ll concede on to finally get there.

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:45 am
by cvb
plodder wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:30 am
Here’s a lukewarm take on the UK’s command paper: https://mobile.twitter.com/AntonSpisak/ ... 6591070208

The only thing I think they’ve missed is that we’re playing for time - which is why we don’t mind if the conversations are difficult or protracted. Fun trying to guess which points we’ll concede on to finally get there.
That was a good thread. Thanks.

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:35 pm
by plodder

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:28 am
by plodder
MEPs appear to agree. Not sure exactly when the ball is back in the UK’s court, or if there’s an upcoming deadline that will act as a pinch point.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DPhinnemore/ ... 7037754372

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:18 pm
by veravista

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:17 am
by Little waster
This week the biotech company I work for decided to cease all trading with Italy as the post-Brexit delays* and paperwork involved in exporting there has rendered it uneconomic. That's about 4% of our sales gone.

We've had similar issues with Spain and Holland so they may follow too, with question marks around the rest of the EU.

Meanwhile, Australia still represents <0.1% of our sales and is likely to continue to do so unless the government decide to launch a Tim-Tams-for-Stem-Cells exchange scheme. Sales to the Faroe Islands remain solidly consistent though, matching our sales to Namibia, Neptune's moon Triton and Narnia.

We also continue to struggle to recruit from the EU despite formerly getting about 25% of our staff, all but one of which have left in the last two years. Turns out geriatric Leave-voters from Blyth don't fancy relocating to Cambridge to retrain as molecular biologists for some unexpected reason.




*most of our products are shipped on dry ice or in LN2 so even a day or two's delay can make the difference between viable product and expensive lukewarm mush.

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:41 am
by shpalman

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:31 pm
by Bird on a Fire
ERC Consolidator grants 2020. Blue: country where the funds are allocated. Red: nationality of the winners.
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https://twitter.com/GalleseVittorio/sta ... 68673?s=19

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:28 pm
by plodder
ah cool. October and January deadlines. I won’t hold my breath...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... negotiated

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:07 am
by Bird on a Fire
Wow, what dipshits. "This deal we negotiated sucks!"

Re: Brexit Consequences

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:22 pm
by Allo V Psycho
Hadn't seen this one
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/busi ... index.html

Lugano Convention, it's about law, sorry, cooking at the same time!