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Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:43 pm
by shpalman
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:19 pm
by plodder
Is that what's behind the sausage shortage? A lack of abattoir workers?
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:00 pm
by bolo
Is it clear that worker shortages in the UK are a consequence of Brexit? There is lots of discussion of worker shortages in the US also, attributed to Covid in various ways that not everyone agrees about.
My usual take is that most of the time, a "worker shortage" isn't really about there being too few workers, but rather about employers failing to offer high enough pay and/or good enough working conditions.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:19 pm
by Opti
bolo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Is it clear that worker shortages in the UK are a consequence of Brexit?
...
Can you get sufficient supplies of staple foods in the US? We can in Spain. All my friends in the UK have complaints.
Then again, Brits are notorious moaners
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:37 pm
by bolo
Opti wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:19 pm
bolo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Is it clear that worker shortages in the UK are a consequence of Brexit?
...
Can you get sufficient supplies of staple foods in the US? We can in Spain. All my friends in the UK have complaints.
Then again, Brits are notorious moaners
I haven't noticed a problem with staple foods here, but there have been shortages of some other odd things like straws and cardboard boxes, and a lack of staff for restaurants and hotels has very visibly affected their service, e.g. reduced kitchen hours and substandard housekeeping.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:58 pm
by monkey
bolo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:37 pm
Opti wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:19 pm
bolo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Is it clear that worker shortages in the UK are a consequence of Brexit?
...
Can you get sufficient supplies of staple foods in the US? We can in Spain. All my friends in the UK have complaints.
Then again, Brits are notorious moaners
I haven't noticed a problem with staple foods here, but there have been shortages of some other odd things like straws and cardboard boxes, and a lack of staff for restaurants and hotels has very visibly affected their service, e.g. reduced kitchen hours and substandard housekeeping.
On supermarket stuff and after the hoarding period: IME, staples have been fine, but particular items seem to disappear for a bit and come back after a month or so. That's something that is occasionally going to happen, but it's been occurring more often for seemingly random products. There's normally an alternative too, so it's easy not to get too annoyed.
Covid has messed up supply chains everywhere as far as I can tell, and I am not sure why anyone would think the UK would be an exception to this. But it does seem to be worse in the UK than anywhere comparable which has the special case of Brexit. It doesn't look like an either/or situation to me, but a combination of the two.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:01 pm
by veravista
Bwahahahahaha
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-58348119
Harming, as in moving NI closer to Ireland.....
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:03 pm
by tom p
bolo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:37 pm
Opti wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:19 pm
bolo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Is it clear that worker shortages in the UK are a consequence of Brexit?
...
Can you get sufficient supplies of staple foods in the US? We can in Spain. All my friends in the UK have complaints.
Then again, Brits are notorious moaners
I haven't noticed a problem with staple foods here, but there have been shortages of some other odd things like straws and cardboard boxes, and a lack of staff for restaurants and hotels has very visibly affected their service, e.g. reduced kitchen hours and substandard housekeeping.
Your straw shortage is 'cos the Trump fans clutched at them all
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:54 pm
by jdc
I wasn't sure a pub would count as a shop so I've not put this in the shortages thread:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... deliveries
The pub chain Wetherspoon’s is experiencing shortages of some beer brands, including Carling, Coors and Heineken, amid a Brexit-induced shortage of delivery drivers and industrial action.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:13 pm
by shpalman
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:28 am
by shpalman
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:36 pm
by sTeamTraen
The comments are great. Apparently everyone wants to pay more for food if it's in some nebulous way "better produced". Clearly the rise of discount supermarkets is being fuelled by some other kinds of pressure than economic.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:06 am
by shpalman
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:29 am
by tenchboy
But... but... but... isn't that exactly what we voted for?
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:14 am
by tenchboy
Challenging Developments have resulted in Distribution Non-Conformities and the Unpreplanned Eventualities have Contextuallized the very immenent need for a Re-visionization of Infrastructure Requirements which currently lack the necessary Overflow Capacity to handle the unforeseen post brexit eventuallities
BUZZZZZ
"said Brexit"
"And with 23 second remaining on the clock, over to you Graham Garden"
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:32 am
by Woodchopper
I’ve moved the drug policy derail over to: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2726&p=93832#p93832
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:53 am
by noggins
as ye sow, so shall ye reap
or not
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:55 am
by noggins
sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:36 pm
The comments are great. Apparently everyone wants to pay more for food if it's in some nebulous way "better produced". Clearly the rise of discount supermarkets is being fuelled by some other kinds of pressure than economic.
Is the discount supermarkets stuff worse though?
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:57 pm
by sTeamTraen
noggins wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:55 am
sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:36 pm
The comments are great. Apparently everyone wants to pay more for food if it's in some nebulous way "better produced". Clearly the rise of discount supermarkets is being fuelled by some other kinds of pressure than economic.
Is the discount supermarkets stuff worse though?
Not at all, in my experience. We do about half of our shopping in Lidl (and would do more if they delivered - we don't schlepp bottles of wine in bulk).
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:33 am
by noggins
Ive read that the discounters treat their suppliers better.
They negotiate hard, but then stick to the deal, while the regular lot will demand further discounts later.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:54 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Yeah, I don't see the relevance of discount supermarkets. They're not displacing anyone who treats their suppliers well.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:05 am
by Bird on a Fire
Good news everyone - water companies are now allowed to dump (even more) raw sewage into surface and groundwater!
Normally, you need a permit under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2016 to discharge treated effluent from a waste water treatment works (WwTW) to surface water or groundwater. Permits contain conditions that control the quality of the effluent you can discharge.
You may not be able to comply with your permit if you cannot get the chemicals you use to treat the effluent you discharge because of:
the UK’s new relationship with the EU
coronavirus (COVID-19)
other unavoidable supply chain failures, for example the failure of a treatment chemical supplier
If you follow the conditions in this regulatory position statement (RPS) you can discharge effluent without meeting the conditions in your permit.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... lure-rps-b
Brexit Britain is literally up sh.t creek.
Given that the government is deliberately liberalising water quality regs to allow water companies to dump more sh.t without getting caught and fined, I don't think I'm being overly cynical suggesting that the long-term intention is to grandfather this kind of relaxation into permanent regs.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:12 am
by tom p
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:05 am
Good news everyone - water companies are now allowed to dump (even more) raw sewage into surface and groundwater!
Normally, you need a permit under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2016 to discharge treated effluent from a waste water treatment works (WwTW) to surface water or groundwater. Permits contain conditions that control the quality of the effluent you can discharge.
You may not be able to comply with your permit if you cannot get the chemicals you use to treat the effluent you discharge because of:
the UK’s new relationship with the EU
coronavirus (COVID-19)
other unavoidable supply chain failures, for example the failure of a treatment chemical supplier
If you follow the conditions in this regulatory position statement (RPS) you can discharge effluent without meeting the conditions in your permit.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... lure-rps-b
Brexit Britain is literally up sh.t creek.
Given that the government is deliberately liberalising water quality regs to allow water companies to dump more sh.t without getting caught and fined, I don't think I'm being overly cynical suggesting that the long-term intention is to grandfather this kind of relaxation into permanent regs.
Brexit nobbers repeatedly cited the 'water directive' as a prime example of the EU's overreach and ridiculous red tape in the per-referendum period, so I'm not at all surprised to see UK citizens' protections being torn up like this
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:35 pm
by Little waster
tom p wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:12 am
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:05 am
Good news everyone - water companies are now allowed to dump (even more) raw sewage into surface and groundwater!
Normally, you need a permit under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2016 to discharge treated effluent from a waste water treatment works (WwTW) to surface water or groundwater. Permits contain conditions that control the quality of the effluent you can discharge.
You may not be able to comply with your permit if you cannot get the chemicals you use to treat the effluent you discharge because of:
the UK’s new relationship with the EU
coronavirus (COVID-19)
other unavoidable supply chain failures, for example the failure of a treatment chemical supplier
If you follow the conditions in this regulatory position statement (RPS) you can discharge effluent without meeting the conditions in your permit.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... lure-rps-b
Brexit Britain is literally up sh.t creek.
Given that the government is deliberately liberalising water quality regs to allow water companies to dump more sh.t without getting caught and fined, I don't think I'm being overly cynical suggesting that the long-term intention is to grandfather this kind of relaxation into permanent regs.
Brexit nobbers repeatedly cited the 'water directive' as a prime example of the EU's overreach and ridiculous red tape in the per-referendum period, so I'm not at all surprised to see UK citizens' protections being torn up like this
Hence the famous side-of-the-bus slogan:-
“EU Membership lets you go to sunny places on holiday, cheaply and easily; let’s stay at home and sh.t in our drinking water instead!”.
Re: Brexit Consequences
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:59 am
by tom p
hahahahahaha