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The future of the US Republican party

Post by Woodchopper » Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:26 am

I’ve seen people call for the Republican Party to purge the Trumpists.

But in the other news from Thursday 138 Republican members of the House, or 65% of the total, voted to dispute the election results, as did Cruz and other senators. In surveys a majority of Republican supporters state that Trump was the rightful victor in the 2020 election.

We might be looking at a purge, but the moderates being kicked out by the Trumpists. The latter being better organized, more ruthless, and deluded (which helps in the short term).

Maybe we should start betting on Invanka to be Republican nominee in 2024.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by bjn » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:42 pm

Nearly half of Republicans supported the attack in the Capitol.
In a survey of 1,397 American voters by YouGov, a pollster, more Republicans said they supported the actions of the pro-Trump extremists than opposed them (45% to 43% respectively). In contrast, nearly every Democrat polled, and two out of three independents, said they opposed the rampage (see chart).
This will hopefully fracture the Republicans, but it is terrifying that a significant minority of the country supports the violent rejection of a properly* conducted election.

*“Properly”, apart from all the legal gerrymandering and voter suppression that overwhelmingly backs the party of the seditious rebels.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by plodder » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:45 am

Big problem for them.

Ultimately it comes down to solid leadership and a clear vision. I think one problem is that, given the highly compressed and frankly weird nature of politics, it doesn't tend to attract the kind of talent it needs, so we're always left with sweaty hopeless cases who would struggle to hold down a senior position in the real world of work.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by dyqik » Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 pm

plodder wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:45 am
Big problem for them.

Ultimately it comes down to solid leadership and a clear vision. I think one problem is that, given the highly compressed and frankly weird nature of politics, it doesn't tend to attract the kind of talent it needs, so we're always left with sweaty hopeless cases who would struggle to hold down a senior position in the real world of work.
The problem then is that the Republican party is entirely defined by what it's against: government interference in markets, provision of basic services, and evangelical christian white culture; lack of government interference in reproductive healthcare, and non-white culture; consequences for free speech by right wing white men; lack of consequences for free speech by non-right wing white men.

It needs an actual vision first before it can have a clear one.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by monkey » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:18 pm

dyqik wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 pm
plodder wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:45 am
Big problem for them.

Ultimately it comes down to solid leadership and a clear vision. I think one problem is that, given the highly compressed and frankly weird nature of politics, it doesn't tend to attract the kind of talent it needs, so we're always left with sweaty hopeless cases who would struggle to hold down a senior position in the real world of work.
The problem then is that the Republican party is entirely defined by what it's against: government interference in markets, provision of basic services, and evangelical christian white culture; lack of government interference in reproductive healthcare, and non-white culture; consequences for free speech by right wing white men; lack of consequences for free speech by non-right wing white men.

It needs an actual vision first before it can have a clear one.
They're conservatives. They're naturally against stuff, so they can keep things the same, or "return" to a romanticised past. That's not a problem for them, that's what they are, so that's not their problem. You can also frame all those things as positives (as they do): e.g. you're not anti abortion, you're pro life, or you're not anti-regulation, you support the free market.

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Post by Trinucleus » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:30 pm

plodder wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:45 am
Big problem for them.

Ultimately it comes down to solid leadership and a clear vision. I think one problem is that, given the highly compressed and frankly weird nature of politics, it doesn't tend to attract the kind of talent it needs, so we're always left with sweaty hopeless cases who would struggle to hold down a senior position in the real world of work.
There's an Arthur C Clarke book where the US selects its the President at random from the electoral total roll as they had realised that anyone who wanted the job was completely unsuited to doing it.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by dyqik » Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:15 pm

Trinucleus wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:30 pm
plodder wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:45 am
Big problem for them.

Ultimately it comes down to solid leadership and a clear vision. I think one problem is that, given the highly compressed and frankly weird nature of politics, it doesn't tend to attract the kind of talent it needs, so we're always left with sweaty hopeless cases who would struggle to hold down a senior position in the real world of work.
There's an Arthur C Clarke book where the US selects its the President at random from the electoral total roll as they had realised that anyone who wanted the job was completely unsuited to doing it.
Having seen the US population, a random selection from it is probably also likely to be unsuitable for the role.

Maybe there could be 9 randomly selected participants in primaries for the Democrat, Republican and Independent parties, who go into an election.

Of course, there'd have to be a cost to coming third in each phase, to make sure that no one tries to nobble their own campaigns.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by dyqik » Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:18 pm

monkey wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:18 pm
dyqik wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 pm
plodder wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:45 am
Big problem for them.

Ultimately it comes down to solid leadership and a clear vision. I think one problem is that, given the highly compressed and frankly weird nature of politics, it doesn't tend to attract the kind of talent it needs, so we're always left with sweaty hopeless cases who would struggle to hold down a senior position in the real world of work.
The problem then is that the Republican party is entirely defined by what it's against: government interference in markets, provision of basic services, and evangelical christian white culture; lack of government interference in reproductive healthcare, and non-white culture; consequences for free speech by right wing white men; lack of consequences for free speech by non-right wing white men.

It needs an actual vision first before it can have a clear one.
They're conservatives. They're naturally against stuff, so they can keep things the same, or "return" to a romanticised past. That's not a problem for them, that's what they are, so that's not their problem. You can also frame all those things as positives (as they do): e.g. you're not anti abortion, you're pro life, or you're not anti-regulation, you support the free market.
While you are correct that the anti-policy can be turned into a policy, the feature of being against it for anyone but yourself makes that harder.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by monkey » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:16 pm

dyqik wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:18 pm
monkey wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:18 pm
dyqik wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 pm


The problem then is that the Republican party is entirely defined by what it's against: government interference in markets, provision of basic services, and evangelical christian white culture; lack of government interference in reproductive healthcare, and non-white culture; consequences for free speech by right wing white men; lack of consequences for free speech by non-right wing white men.

It needs an actual vision first before it can have a clear one.
They're conservatives. They're naturally against stuff, so they can keep things the same, or "return" to a romanticised past. That's not a problem for them, that's what they are, so that's not their problem. You can also frame all those things as positives (as they do): e.g. you're not anti abortion, you're pro life, or you're not anti-regulation, you support the free market.
While you are correct that the anti-policy can be turned into a policy, the feature of being against it for anyone but yourself makes that harder.
Not really, they've been doing that for decades, often successfully. But after Bush they allowed the far right to come up out of the sewer and wheedle its way into the mainstream, first through Sarah Palin and Tea Party, then further right through Trump. With that their message has become more abstract, about "values" and culture rather than policy (anti or not). It's culminated with Trump campaigning the last election with basically no policy.

They can return to their normal levels of wrongness. But they need to face down the far right monster they created and nurtured. Unfortunately it seems that too many are scared of it.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:45 am

So, there's this:
Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.

At the same time, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader and one of Mr. Trump’s most steadfast allies in Congress, has asked other Republicans whether he should call on Mr. Trump to resign in the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol last week, according to three Republican officials briefed on the conversations.

While Mr. McCarthy has said he is personally opposed to impeachment, he and other party leaders have decided not to formally lobby Republicans to vote “no,” and an aide to Mr. McCarthy said he was open to a measure censuring Mr. Trump for his conduct. In private, Mr. McCarthy reached out to a leading House Democrat to see if the chamber would be willing to pursue a censure vote, though Speaker Nancy Pelosi has ruled it out.

Taken together, the stances of Congress’s two top Republicans — neither of whom has said publicly that Mr. Trump should resign or be impeached — reflected the politically challenging and fast-moving nature of the crisis that the party faces after the assault by a pro-Trump mob during a session to formalize President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s electoral victory.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/m ... hment.html

Trump getting dumped like hot sh.t off a shovel.
THINK BIG AND UPEND THE SYSTEM

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:45 pm

If McConnel was that bothered he would recall the Senate and he hasn’t.

The might go through the Senate in three months

Ooooh. They just got their sixth Republican
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:14 pm

A caterpillar does all the work but the butterfly gets all the publicity.

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