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Re: The future of the US Republican party

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It's all about the snow in Texas being fake snow now, with people trying to burn it.
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by headshot » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:38 am

McConnell says he'll "absolutely" support Trump if he's 2024 GOP presidential nominee
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

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headshot wrote:
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McConnell says he'll "absolutely" support Trump if he's 2024 GOP presidential nominee
https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-trump-2 ... ab82b.html
McConnell would "absolutely" support Son Of Sam if he's 2024 GOP Presidential nominee, because Mitch McConnell has no spine, soul, ethics or morals.
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Post by Herainestold » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:12 pm

Of course he has no morals, but he can see which way the wind is blowing.
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

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Donald Trump to be inaugurated President of the United States on March 4

Is the latest prediction doing the rounds at Qanon. People have been booking out the Trump International Hotel in anticipation.
Holy f.ck, it actually happened.

Trump's 2nd inauguration speech was one for the history books, but it was videos of the military raids on pizza restaurants that will be remembered, especially Hillary Clinton being dragged off in handcuffs. The fact that Biden died six months ago and they'd animatroniced his corpse was pretty predictable in retrospect.
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by sideshowjim » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:03 pm

There doesn't seem to be any desire or guiding force within the party to actually move beyond Trump and the full-on hate-group approach.

I think there's been at least a few who have paid attention to it and decided how they'll do it differently next time, but is there any counter to it at all?

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

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There doesn't seem to be any desire or guiding force within the party to actually move beyond Trump and the full-on hate-group approach.

I think there's been at least a few who have paid attention to it and decided how they'll do it differently next time, but is there any counter to it at all?
Key people who might have opposed ended up leaving, eg the Lincoln Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lincoln_Project

The fight between Trump and the Republican Party is now being played out over money. Trump is fundraising separately and wants to control the purse strings. https://www.vox.com/22321215/trump-rnc- ... feud-purge

If he succeeds he’ll control the power that matters most in the party. In that case look forward to Ivanka running in 2023.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by sideshowjim » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:34 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:46 am
sideshowjim wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:03 pm
There doesn't seem to be any desire or guiding force within the party to actually move beyond Trump and the full-on hate-group approach.

I think there's been at least a few who have paid attention to it and decided how they'll do it differently next time, but is there any counter to it at all?
Key people who might have opposed ended up leaving, eg the Lincoln Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lincoln_Project

The fight between Trump and the Republican Party is now being played out over money. Trump is fundraising separately and wants to control the purse strings. https://www.vox.com/22321215/trump-rnc- ... feud-purge

If he succeeds he’ll control the power that matters most in the party. In that case look forward to Ivanka running in 2023.
Lincoln Project is little more than an advertising campaign now. Those who are or were appalled by the path they were going down have now retired or quit, leaving A- Empty suits who are bewildered by the whole thing and need to be given notes from Oil firms and shouty media outlets about what they're supposed to say, B- Core functionaries whose job it is to block anything and everything through whatever means they can for no purpose other than keeping themselves relevant, C- Younger media-ready types whose career plan is "incite violent conflict and be in charge of it". Many of them seem to be quite well funded.

So while they fight their proxy war over fundraising, the blood and soil rhetoric is going unchallenged and promoted, and no-one is putting out any alternatives.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Vertigowooyay » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:03 pm

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Post by FlammableFlower » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:09 pm

Matt Gaetz accused of acts that wouldn't be out of place in a Q conspiracy theory...

Brilliantly, he attempts to claim it's a political attack by the Biden administration - except the investigation was begun by the DoJ under Barr and the last administration.

Then he claims his family is being extorted - except even though the investigation has been going on for months, no charges there have been brought and the claimed amount extorted is many times what Gaetz is thought to be worth, so would be impossible to pay.

Then he goes on Tucker Carlson's Fox show and attempts to draw Carlson in as part of his defense -"Hey Tucker, remember that time you, your wife, me and this girl went for meal?"... Carlson, "Nope, can't recall that at all", then afterwards attempting to put the most blue water possible between him and Gaetz.

In addition, Devin Nunes is being investigated for campaign finance irregularities - apparently it's his mum's fault.

Yep, republican party implosion may just be a thing.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Vertigowooyay » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:28 pm

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Matt Gaetz accused of acts that wouldn't be out of place in a Q conspiracy theory...

Brilliantly, he attempts to claim it's a political attack by the Biden administration - except the investigation was begun by the DoJ under Barr and the last administration.

Then he claims his family is being extorted - except even though the investigation has been going on for months, no charges there have been brought and the claimed amount extorted is many times what Gaetz is thought to be worth, so would be impossible to pay.

Then he goes on Tucker Carlson's Fox show and attempts to draw Carlson in as part of his defense -"Hey Tucker, remember that time you, your wife, me and this girl went for meal?"... Carlson, "Nope, can't recall that at all", then afterwards attempting to put the most blue water possible between him and Gaetz.

In addition, Devin Nunes is being investigated for campaign finance irregularities - apparently it's his mum's fault.

Yep, republican party implosion may just be a thing.
Huffpost wrote:Gaetz tried twice to lure Carlson into the story.

“I’m not the only person on screen right now who’s been falsely accused of a terrible sex act,” Gaetz declared. “You know what this feels like.”

The Fox News host later said that the accusation was from “a mentally ill viewer” whom he said he had never met and that the allegation was from 20 years ago.

Later in the interview, Gaetz mentioned bringing a woman to meet the Fox News host.

“You’ll remember her,” Gaetz insisted as he claimed the woman was later “threatened by the FBI.”

“I don’t remember the woman you’re speaking of or the context at all, honestly,” Carlson said.
I'm not sure if this is two men trying to throw each other under the same bus, or if it's two separate buses, but there's an awful lot of Under Bus Throwing goin' on.
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Little waster » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:23 pm

Vertigowooyay wrote:
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I'm not sure if this is two men trying to throw each other under the same bus, or if it's two separate buses, but there's an awful lot of Under Bus Throwing goin' on.
No, no, no.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by lpm » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:54 pm

This is kompromat leaking out.

Gaetz was exploited by Trump & Co, went off piste in 2020 and got threatened with his file, came back in line and returned to being an ultra loyalist.

Either they failed to return the blackmail material fully to its locked box, leading to the leak taking on a life of its own. Or they decided to kill him off, having no further use for him, pour encourager les autres.
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by FlammableFlower » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:36 pm

Seems stuff turned up on Gaetz whilst they were investigating Joel Greenberg, although how is still an interesting question.

Whilst at the moment I'd go with your first though, that it's accidental, considering this investigation started under the previous administration that could have made it quietly go away... maybe not. Although what would they get from bringing down Trump's loudest cheerleader? Unless there was the worry he was stealing the limelight and Trump definitely didn't/doesn't like it when people appear more famous than him.

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Post by dyqik » Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:47 pm

Given that Gaetz has apparently been showing explicit pictures and video of underage girls he's slept with on the House floor, I'm guessing that a cursory search of a young GOP congressmen's phone would have triggered the investigation.

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:50 pm

Vertigowooyay wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:03 am
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:38 am
McConnell says he'll "absolutely" support Trump if he's 2024 GOP presidential nominee
https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-trump-2 ... ab82b.html
McConnell would "absolutely" support Son Of Sam if he's 2024 GOP Presidential nominee, because Mitch McConnell has no spine, soul, ethics or morals.
I wonder if Moscow Mitch has anything to to with so many major institutional investors from his state of Kentucky being heavily invested in Sberbank

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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:03 pm

Looks like the GOP are trying to get Zelensky killed

https://twitter.com/repdeanphillips/sta ... 66336?s=21
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Post by Pishwish » Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:19 am

You almost get used to the fact that this guy was, and could be again, the president.
Trump mused to donors that we should take our F-22 planes, "put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the sh.t out" out of Russia. "And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch."
As far as I know, the US is the only country that has ever operated F-22 planes, adding to the stupidity.

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Post by Herainestold » Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:23 am

Pishwish wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:19 am
You almost get used to the fact that this guy was, and could be again, the president.
Trump mused to donors that we should take our F-22 planes, "put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the sh.t out" out of Russia. "And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch."
As far as I know, the US is the only country that has ever operated F-22 planes, adding to the stupidity.
The Chinese have a plane which is a copy of the F-22.
The J-20, China’s first fifth generation fighter, was purpose built not only to serve as a competitor for America’s F-22 Raptor, but in many ways, as a direct copy. Plans for the Lockheed Martin design were stolen by a Chinese national named Su Bin, who was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison for his crime. The repercussions of his efforts on behalf of the Chinese government will live on for decades.

Aside from the obvious addition of forward canards on the J-20, the two aircraft look nearly identical thanks to China’s access to classified F-22 development data, but as is often the case, the similarities seem to end with the aesthetic.
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Re: The future of the US Republican party

Post by Millennie Al » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:07 am

Pishwish wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:19 am
You almost get used to the fact that this guy was, and could be again, the president.
Trump mused to donors that we should take our F-22 planes, "put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the sh.t out" out of Russia. "And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch."
As far as I know, the US is the only country that has ever operated F-22 planes, adding to the stupidity.
Even if the planes were genuine Chinese ones, Russia has satellites and suchlike and can tell the difference between planes that take off from and return to an American base and planes which take off from and return to a Chinese base.

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Post by Herainestold » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:25 am

Millennie Al wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:07 am
Pishwish wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:19 am
You almost get used to the fact that this guy was, and could be again, the president.
Trump mused to donors that we should take our F-22 planes, "put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the sh.t out" out of Russia. "And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch."
As far as I know, the US is the only country that has ever operated F-22 planes, adding to the stupidity.
Even if the planes were genuine Chinese ones, Russia has satellites and suchlike and can tell the difference between planes that take off from and return to an American base and planes which take off from and return to a Chinese base.
In modern warfare planes are identified by their electronic signals, not markings on their wings. You'd have to fake the Chinese identifiers, I don't know how difficult that would be. Its the kind of things lads in the pub would say after their third pint.
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Post by Al Capone Junior » Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:21 pm

The repugnican party is openly trying to bring fascism back again. Book burnings, war on women, war on LBGTQ, war on anyone other than the right kind of Christian (whatever that is), war on vaccines, war on science, war on climate mitigation, a ridiculous gun fetish, war on voting rights, war on free speech, war on secularism, war on education, war on history,, spreading massive propaganda constantly, all the while claiming to be the victims of all the sh.t they're inflicting on everyone else, and believing with absolute certainly that they hold the monopoly on morality.

Look at Germany leading up to WWII. look at Russia and China. Pick another nation that fell into this trap. The parallels are uncanny and obvious.

So let's just refer to what the repugnicans are doing for what it is: bringing back Fascism. A fascist takeover of an intentionally dismantled democracy.

It's straight to Godwin, but for real, not a literary construct or sarcastic internet language.

Fox News is actively driving it, on purpose. Social media is making sure we keep it floored as we careen towards the giant cliff, making sure we take everyone else out with us.

Jesus ain't gonna save us either.

Depressing. Makes me embarrassed to be an American.

f.ck, I need a drink. If you'll excuse me...

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Post by dyqik » Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:38 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:25 am
Millennie Al wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:07 am
Pishwish wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:19 am
You almost get used to the fact that this guy was, and could be again, the president.

As far as I know, the US is the only country that has ever operated F-22 planes, adding to the stupidity.
Even if the planes were genuine Chinese ones, Russia has satellites and suchlike and can tell the difference between planes that take off from and return to an American base and planes which take off from and return to a Chinese base.
In modern warfare planes are identified by their electronic signals, not markings on their wings. You'd have to fake the Chinese identifiers, I don't know how difficult that would be. Its the kind of things lads in the pub would say after their third pint.
To be a little more specific, you have to fake Chinese identifiers to a third party (which makes things easier) which is working more closely with the Chinese than you, and having all kinds of private communications with them (which means you can't know how much communication that is about identifiers etc. between China and Russia). So, yeah, it's not necessarily impossible, but it is easy to really screw up, and unlikely to be believed even if you did do a perfect job of faking it.

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Post by Gfamily » Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:59 pm

There is the Republican Accountability Project that might offer some hope; but I don't see it gaining enough traction to be able to oust the worst people at the top.
Their "Trump: Putin is smart" campaign ad is brutal - but probably not enough .
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