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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by tenchboy » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:19 pm

Since Ms Hutchinson's testimony, a source close to the Secret Service has told CBS News that both the agent and driver travelling in the car with Mr Trump were willing to testify under oath that the former president did not physically attack either of them and never attempted to grab the steering wheel.
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Up to you whether you go with, "well they w'd say that wun't they" or "well, actually, that's exactly why they don't allow reports of unsworn interlocutors in a courtroom"
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:03 pm

tenchboy wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:19 pm
Since Ms Hutchinson's testimony, a source close to the Secret Service has told CBS News that both the agent and driver travelling in the car with Mr Trump were willing to testify under oath that the former president did not physically attack either of them and never attempted to grab the steering wheel.
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Up to you whether you go with, "well they w'd say that wun't they" or "well, actually, that's exactly why they don't allow reports of unsworn interlocutors in a courtroom"
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Exactly. We have:

1) Person under threat of criminal perjury states that she was told by Person C that Person B had been attacked by Trump (told in the presence of Person B who remained silent but looked stressed). Some reporting suggests that Persons B and C have already confirmed this to the committee in closed door testimony under oath but even if they haven’t their boss has officially confirmed they will testify if requested to.

2) A reporter not under threat of criminal perjury says that an anonymous source told them that Person B and Person C had said there was no attack but that Trump was irate and pressured them to take him to the Capitol.

3) BTW Person under oath said she heard Trump himself try to get his armed supporters to the Capitol shortly before he publicly told his supporters to go to the Capitol and fight like Hell.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:46 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:03 pm
tenchboy wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:19 pm
Since Ms Hutchinson's testimony, a source close to the Secret Service has told CBS News that both the agent and driver travelling in the car with Mr Trump were willing to testify under oath that the former president did not physically attack either of them and never attempted to grab the steering wheel.
BBC
Up to you whether you go with, "well they w'd say that wun't they" or "well, actually, that's exactly why they don't allow reports of unsworn interlocutors in a courtroom"
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Exactly. We have:

1) Person under threat of criminal perjury states that she was told by Person C that Person B had been attacked by Trump (told in the presence of Person B who remained silent but looked stressed). Some reporting suggests that Persons B and C have already confirmed this to the committee in closed door testimony under oath but even if they haven’t their boss has officially confirmed they will testify if requested to.

2) A reporter not under threat of criminal perjury says that an anonymous source told them that Person B and Person C had said there was no attack but that Trump was irate and pressured them to take him to the Capitol.

3) BTW Person under oath said she heard Trump himself try to get his armed supporters to the Capitol shortly before he publicly told his supporters to go to the Capitol and fight like Hell.
Now this is really juicy. Worth watching in full https://twitter.com/maddowblog/status/1 ... UTer9EJ7Mg

ETA: TL;DR The two agents are somewhat Trump loyalists and there is a connection with why Pence didn’t want to get in his car
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:42 pm

Yeah this secret service agent who is (possibly because it’s via an anonymous source) disputing the stuff about the steering wheel but not AR15s is a Trump loyalist

More people calling him a liar

https://twitter.com/oliviatroye/status/ ... EiPzUkLyXg

And

https://twitter.com/alyssafarah/status/ ... EiPzUkLyXg
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:08 pm

bl..dy Hell. They actually have security footage of Trump’s altercation with the secret service agents

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 4A1Q12n0DQ
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Bird on a Fire » Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:40 pm

Nuts that all this is only coming out now, rather than during the impeachment.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:24 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:40 pm
Nuts that all this is only coming out now, rather than during the impeachment.
Well the Jan 6 insurrection was on…..errr…Jan 6 and the impeachment was triggered on 25th Jan so it’s not surprising that some stuff has taken so long to come out. I understand the Jan 6 Committee has done around 5000 interviews and the DOJ has charged over 800 people so it’s been quite the information gathering exercise. And of course the Republicans were running interference all along because they are scared of Trump while Trump himself installed loyalists (eg Ortano) all over the place to f.ck up as much as they could.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by temptar » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:34 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:08 pm
bl..dy Hell. They actually have security footage of Trump’s altercation with the secret service agents

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 4A1Q12n0DQ

No way is this genuine.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:48 am

temptar wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:34 am
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:08 pm
bl..dy Hell. They actually have security footage of Trump’s altercation with the secret service agents

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 4A1Q12n0DQ

No way is this genuine.
I’m beginning to have my suspicions it may not be entirely legit https://youtu.be/rQqg4GkP_dI
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Al Capone Junior » Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:28 pm

The entire process seems to be designed to point out every bit of douchebaggery that came out of the whole pass flavored cotton candy guy's political machine whilst carefully avoiding doing anything about it

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:24 pm

Kinzinger has released recordings of messages left at his office. Some of the idiots sound like stereotypes but I have no doubt that they are genuine

https://twitter.com/repkinzinger/status ... sJDmgdsOsg
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:35 pm

Due to start at 6pm if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/spJR5Y5_f4c
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Opti » Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:52 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:35 pm
Due to start at 6pm if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/spJR5Y5_f4c
:o They start work late there!


;)
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:12 pm

Opti wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:52 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:35 pm
Due to start at 6pm if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/spJR5Y5_f4c
:o They start work late there!


;)
They’re just lazy!

Brandi live tweeting it again https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... e2L1NRD_bQ
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:15 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:12 pm
Opti wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:52 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:35 pm
Due to start at 6pm if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/spJR5Y5_f4c
:o They start work late there!


;)
They’re just lazy!

Brandi live tweeting it again https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... e2L1NRD_bQ
And video thread here https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:57 pm

Giuliani! Drink!

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg





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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by FlammableFlower » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:00 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:12 pm
Opti wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:52 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:35 pm
Due to start at 6pm if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/spJR5Y5_f4c
:o They start work late there!


;)
They’re just lazy!

Brandi live tweeting it again https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... e2L1NRD_bQ
Wow, that is something else

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:13 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:00 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:12 pm
Opti wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:52 pm


:o They start work late there!


;)
They’re just lazy!

Brandi live tweeting it again https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... e2L1NRD_bQ
Wow, that is something else
ETA video to go with screenshot https://twitter.com/january6thcmte/stat ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Quite
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:01 pm

Holy sh.t. Apparently after the last hearing Trump still tried to contact a witness (one we haven’t seen yet) and the details have been passed to the DOJ. At the end of the last hearing Cheney basically warned the Trumpers off doing that and he did it anyway.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:07 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:01 pm
Holy sh.t. Apparently after the last hearing Trump still tried to contact a witness (one we haven’t seen yet) and the details have been passed to the DOJ. At the end of the last hearing Cheney basically warned the Trumpers off doing that and he did it anyway.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Apparently they tried to contact Cassidy Hutchinson via a cutout but Trump tried to contact this witness (a member of the White House support staff with whom he had no normal contact) himself. It looks like it could be about the ketchup on the wall incident? How does he not realise how guilty of witness intimidation this makes him look? And has he run out of people to do his dirty work for him?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/politics ... index.html
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Martin_B » Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:07 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:01 pm
Holy sh.t. Apparently after the last hearing Trump still tried to contact a witness (one we haven’t seen yet) and the details have been passed to the DOJ. At the end of the last hearing Cheney basically warned the Trumpers off doing that and he did it anyway.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Apparently they tried to contact Cassidy Hutchinson via a cutout but Trump tried to contact this witness (a member of the White House support staff with whom he had no normal contact) himself. It looks like it could be about the ketchup on the wall incident? How does he not realise how guilty of witness intimidation this makes him look? And has he run out of people to do his dirty work for him?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/politics ... index.html
He liked to boast about his mob connections, so maybe he sees witness intimidation as normal
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by EACLucifer » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:58 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:13 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:00 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:12 pm


They’re just lazy!

Brandi live tweeting it again https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... e2L1NRD_bQ
Wow, that is something else
ETA video to go with screenshot https://twitter.com/january6thcmte/stat ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Quite F535C2AD-47E6-4CD1-8416-EB07C32FA475.jpeg
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:40 pm

Looks like the Secret Service have taken on private counsel for their dealings with the Jan 6 Committee.

It does look really bad

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -committee

The final prime time hearing is at 1am UK time. Will be wild.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:38 pm

Video thread that can be read from the top but this particular tweet if of an anonymised security pro saying that Secret Service agents protecting Pence were sending messages to their families in case they didn’t survive.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550 ... zRgQhy1_rg

A predominately text thread https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... zRgQhy1_rg

The committee rips it out of Josh Hawley https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vid ... iots-video

The immediate reaction to the Hawley running video

https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/stat ... zRgQhy1_rg


Thread of Hawley running to different themes https://twitter.com/the_mal_gallery/sta ... zRgQhy1_rg

Michael Fanone reacting to Hawley

https://twitter.com/jcwhittington_/stat ... zRgQhy1_rg

There will be more hearings later in the year
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:53 pm

Bannon guilty on 2 counts

- obstruction of Congress
- wearing too many shirts
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