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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:33 am

Judging by that carpet, the "storage location" appears to be Trump's nearest Wetherspoons.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by dyqik » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:47 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:33 am
Judging by that carpet, the "storage location" appears to be Trump's nearest Wetherspoons.
That's probably the carpet in Trump's ex-"Bridal Suite" apartment at MAL.

Remember, this is someone who's idea of luxury has never left the 1980s.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:02 pm

How long until we find that he’s still got documents they haven’t found yet?
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:18 pm

This is amazing. He's admitting crimes on his Truth Social thing. "I didn't leave the body lying there, I buried it by the tree."
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by bjn » Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:49 pm

Not a believer in putting the shovel down is he. But he has the best holes, the deepest holes, top people work on making sure his holes are the biggliest holes you can have.

For context….
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:10 am

"picture"

Very glad you cleared that confusion up, Donald.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Grumble » Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:09 am

I thought he had been claiming the evidence was planted? Whoops.
A bit churlish

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Little waster » Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:41 am

bjn wrote:
Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:49 pm
Not a believer in putting the shovel down is he. But he has the best holes, the deepest holes, top people work on making sure his holes are the biggliest holes you can have.

For context….
Ha Libtards!

If you actually read the Espionage Act, Section 5(a)(i) clearly states:-
it is illegal to remove "Top Secret" category materials from their official place of storage without full authorisation. Unless these documents are then securely stored in cartons. It is extra illegal if these documents are spread out on carpets instead.


It's an obvious Deep State stitch-up of the rightful President.

So Suck it up, Buttercup!
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:11 am

His lawyers have confirmed to the court he had the documents in his possession, knew about them and stored them in cartons. And also confirmed the documents had top-level classification markings.

Interestingly, in last night's filing they failed to present the "they were declassified by magic" defence.

Only defence left that I can think of: "it was a secure setting".

There's also the problem that his lawyers appear to have broken the law alongside him, opening up the risk that his attorney-client privilege could become void.

Trump's obsession with getting a special master is silly, the DOJ has told the court some with potential attorney-client privilege were filtered out by a separate internal team and all of the remainder have already been reviewed by the agents actually working on the case.
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Post by jimbob » Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:24 pm

lpm wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:11 am
His lawyers have confirmed to the court he had the documents in his possession, knew about them and stored them in cartons. And also confirmed the documents had top-level classification markings.

Interestingly, in last night's filing they failed to present the "they were declassified by magic" defence.

Only defence left that I can think of: "it was a secure setting".

There's also the problem that his lawyers appear to have broken the law alongside him, opening up the risk that his attorney-client privilege could become void.

Trump's obsession with getting a special master is silly, the DOJ has told the court some with potential attorney-client privilege were filtered out by a separate internal team and all of the remainder have already been reviewed by the agents actually working on the case.
His latest lawyer seems even worse than his previous ones. As in possibly about as good as if Trump were to represent himself.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by bolo » Fri Sep 02, 2022 1:18 am

The WaPo has a good take on the redacted affidavit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ns-satire/

The audio version is worth a listen too.

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Post by FlammableFlower » Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:51 pm

Washington Post wrote:Box No. 25, for example, contains 76 magazines and articles published in 2016 and 2017. Mixed in with those media clippings was a government document with a “confidential” classification marking and another with a “secret” classification marking, according to the inventory list.

The box also contained 20 government documents and photographs with no classification, the court filing says. And there was an empty folder with a “CLASSIFIED” banner on it. It’s unclear if Trump and his associates took the folder from the White House without any documents in it, or if documents had been in the folder but were later removed.
ETA - total of 43 empty CLASSIFIED folders were found...

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Grumble » Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:26 pm

Not sure the right word is capitalised there
A bit churlish

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Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:30 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2022 3:51 pm
Washington Post wrote:Box No. 25, for example, contains 76 magazines and articles published in 2016 and 2017. Mixed in with those media clippings was a government document with a “confidential” classification marking and another with a “secret” classification marking, according to the inventory list.

The box also contained 20 government documents and photographs with no classification, the court filing says. And there was an empty folder with a “CLASSIFIED” banner on it. It’s unclear if Trump and his associates took the folder from the White House without any documents in it, or if documents had been in the folder but were later removed.
ETA - total of 43 empty CLASSIFIED folders were found...
Trump has lost Bill Barr as well - this thread is startling https://twitter.com/rschooley/status/15 ... q5X3aPyyxA

I suppose the big question is whether the contents of the 43 classified folders are elsewhere in the boxes which were returned/confiscated or whether they are now missing.

I’m pretty sure Trump still has more documentation hidden elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/rschooley/status/15 ... q5X3aPyyxA
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Little waster » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:32 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
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I suppose the big question is whether the contents of the 43 classified folders are elsewhere in the boxes which were returned/confiscated or whether they are now missing.
I wonder if classified folders are all generic and interchangeable or whether they are marked with some sort of identifier to indicate what they might have once contained?
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:05 pm

They must be labelled on the outside, surely?

Otherwise you'd need to look inside all the time to see if you've got the right one. "Wait, this isn't the file on Belgium's secret nuclear weapons, it seems to be about the UFO hidden at Roswell."
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:18 pm

Actually multiple layers would make more sense.

Blank on the outside folder.

Then a label on the folder inside, saying who can go further.

Then a folder inside that, with the document identifiers.

Then the actual stuff.

Maybe Donald always liked pass the parcel and kept the wrappings.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Grumble » Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:01 pm

lpm wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:18 pm
Actually multiple layers would make more sense.

Blank on the outside folder.

Then a label on the folder inside, saying who can go further.

Then a folder inside that, with the document identifiers.

Then the actual stuff.

Maybe Donald always liked pass the parcel and kept the wrappings.
Transporting classified information normally requires a blank outer layer. Can be a briefcase, or at minimum another folder. You should never be in the situation where you can be photographed and people can see you have classified information in your hands.
A bit churlish

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by FlammableFlower » Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:01 pm

Hey, it's all cool. If he gets elected, Donald is going to pardon everyone involved in the Jan 6th stormng of the Capitol. Gee, nicest guy ever...

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:10 pm

Grumble wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:01 pm
lpm wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:18 pm
Actually multiple layers would make more sense.

Blank on the outside folder.

Then a label on the folder inside, saying who can go further.

Then a folder inside that, with the document identifiers.

Then the actual stuff.

Maybe Donald always liked pass the parcel and kept the wrappings.
Transporting classified information normally requires a blank outer layer. Can be a briefcase, or at minimum another folder. You should never be in the situation where you can be photographed and people can see you have classified information in your hands.
What about the bar in Trump Tower

https://twitter.com/thegoodliars/status ... a8tfbRMX4w

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Post by Martin_B » Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:52 pm

bjn wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:47 pm
Steve Bannon in handcuffs…..

https://twitter.com/DonLew87/status/1567952105788555265
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:17 am

Martin_B wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:52 pm
bjn wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:47 pm
Steve Bannon in handcuffs…..

https://twitter.com/DonLew87/status/1567952105788555265
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:03 pm

This thread on Judge Cannon who has been providing Trump cover is quite something https://twitter.com/petervroom1/status/ ... ZqBJG3r2ng
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