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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by monkey » Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:06 pm

Trump's been subpoenaed* by the Jan 6th committee.

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*He's been subpoenaed so many times, I bet he can remember how to spell it without looking it up, even though you have just read the word, which apparently, I can't.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by dyqik » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:41 pm

Did they wait for Bannon to be sentenced, to concentrate the mind?

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Post by JQH » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:30 pm

monkey wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:06 pm
Trump's been subpoenaed* by the Jan 6th committee.

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*He's been subpoenaed so many times, I bet he can remember how to spell it without looking it up, even though you have just read the word, which apparently, I can't.
He'll probably stall until after the mid-terms in the hope that his party take control of the House and shut down the Committee.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by monkey » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:38 pm

JQH wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:30 pm
monkey wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:06 pm
Trump's been subpoenaed* by the Jan 6th committee.

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*He's been subpoenaed so many times, I bet he can remember how to spell it without looking it up, even though you have just read the word, which apparently, I can't.
He'll probably stall until after the mid-terms in the hope that his party take control of the House and shut down the Committee.
His testimony will be after the midterms. I imagine he'll try to delay and wriggle his way out of it anyway, despite previously saying he wants to.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:54 pm

Not another special f.cking counsel.

Just indict the f.cker.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:56 pm

Run out the clock, muddy the waters, undermine faith in the system.

Full on mafia state. Garland is a fraud.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by monkey » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:19 pm

lpm wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:54 pm
Not another special f.cking counsel.

Just indict the f.cker.
I'd like that too, but he's an ex-president who just the other day announced another go at the job. The indictment has to be easily shown to be neutral. Of course it won't be by Qanon types and the rest of the far right, but it'll work in court when Trump instructs his lawyers to argue that everyone is out to get him as part of a witch hunt. It'll also stop him delaying things by going to court and demanding one, like he did after the raid.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by monkey » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:24 pm

Frisch has just conceded to Boebert. There'll still be a recount because there's only 0.16% (~500 votes) in it and that's the law, but Frisch don't reckon it'll change the result much.

I didn't know which way that race would go before, but I was hoping Boebert wouldn't win because she cray-cray far right.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:27 pm

Jack Smith.

Does war crime prosecutions in The Hague.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by EACLucifer » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:28 pm

monkey wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:24 pm
Frisch has just conceded to Boebert. There'll still be a recount because there's only 0.16% (~500 votes) in it and that's the law, but Frisch don't reckon it'll change the result much.

I didn't know which way that race would go before, but I was hoping Boebert wouldn't win because she cray-cray far right.
Likewise. She had a very easy seat, though, with redistricting having apparently made it quite a bit easier, so the fact that it was close is notable - a Republican candidate who wasn't a mad far rightist with a sex criminal husband would have carried the seat easily.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:41 pm

monkey wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:19 pm
lpm wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:54 pm
Not another special f.cking counsel.

Just indict the f.cker.
I'd like that too, but he's an ex-president who just the other day announced another go at the job. The indictment has to be easily shown to be neutral. Of course it won't be by Qanon types and the rest of the far right, but it'll work in court when Trump instructs his lawyers to argue that everyone is out to get him as part of a witch hunt. It'll also stop him delaying things by going to court and demanding one, like he did after the raid.
Garland basically said Trump is beyond ordinary law and gets special protection because he's running.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by monkey » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:49 pm

lpm wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:41 pm
monkey wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:19 pm
lpm wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:54 pm
Not another special f.cking counsel.

Just indict the f.cker.
I'd like that too, but he's an ex-president who just the other day announced another go at the job. The indictment has to be easily shown to be neutral. Of course it won't be by Qanon types and the rest of the far right, but it'll work in court when Trump instructs his lawyers to argue that everyone is out to get him as part of a witch hunt. It'll also stop him delaying things by going to court and demanding one, like he did after the raid.
Garland basically said Trump is beyond ordinary law and gets special protection because he's running.
It's not special protection, as it does not mean Trump will get away with it. It's the DoJ saying "we're neutral in this" in the face of a real or perceived conflict of interest.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:57 pm

They're so neutral they won't go anywhere. The gearbox is nothing but neutral.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by dyqik » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:14 pm

monkey wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:49 pm
lpm wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:41 pm
monkey wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:19 pm


I'd like that too, but he's an ex-president who just the other day announced another go at the job. The indictment has to be easily shown to be neutral. Of course it won't be by Qanon types and the rest of the far right, but it'll work in court when Trump instructs his lawyers to argue that everyone is out to get him as part of a witch hunt. It'll also stop him delaying things by going to court and demanding one, like he did after the raid.
Garland basically said Trump is beyond ordinary law and gets special protection because he's running.
It's not special protection, as it does not mean Trump will get away with it. It's the DoJ saying "we're neutral in this" in the face of a real or perceived conflict of interest.
If anything, it's special protection for the DoJ.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by dyqik » Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:34 pm

Another possible reason for the Special Counsel: there's at least 8 GOP congressmen and one senator with potential criminal liability. That includes Jim Jordan, likely to be chair of the House Judiciary Committee that has oversight of the DoJ.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/11/19/w ... ald-trump/

Given that the GOP is probably only going to have a majority of 6 or 7 in the house...

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Post by Al Capone Junior » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:06 pm

I am very glad that most of the Maga morons and christo-fascists lost in the midterms. It shows that a very slim majority of merkinanians don't wish to tolerate all this hate and special privilege in the name of jesus.

However, the fact that such Uber a..holes as Greg abbott in TX (and others such as boebert) won their elections over far more reasonable candidates leaves me very concerned.

The fact of Christianity's attempts at a nationwide coup getting so much support, and the parallels to fascism that are so obvious (to everyone but them) leaves me on the cusp of changing my mind on which religion is currently the most dangerous. Islam may have to take a back seat to christo-fascists quite soon.

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Post by Al Capone Junior » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:12 pm

Also the extreme disconnect from reality that so many over here show is very worrying. This is many ppl that I know, and whom everybody knows, all over the country, people who cannot be reasoned with and who will not put down their phones and shut the damn TV off.

Fixing climate change is simply not going to happen in a world where so many people are so disconnected from even basic reality.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by lpm » Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:52 pm

Trump Org found guilty of fraud.

Utterly astonishing it took till 2022.
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Grumble » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:51 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:52 pm
Trump Org found guilty of fraud.

Utterly astonishing it took till 2022.
He’s really very good at the throwing up chaff method of avoiding being hit.
A bit churlish

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Post by dyqik » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:00 am

The Jan 6th commission has also confirmed that it will be making criminal referrals to the DoJ.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by monkey » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:07 am

dyqik wrote:
Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:00 am
The Jan 6th commission has also confirmed that it will be making criminal referrals to the DoJ.
Yeah, but they also said they didn't know what the charges would be, or who would get them. They've basically gone "We think someone did something.", which I'm pretty sure everyone knew already.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by dyqik » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:49 am

monkey wrote:
Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:07 am
dyqik wrote:
Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:00 am
The Jan 6th commission has also confirmed that it will be making criminal referrals to the DoJ.
Yeah, but they also said they didn't know what the charges would be, or who would get them. They've basically gone "We think someone did something.", which I'm pretty sure everyone knew already.
That could be them being careful about not making a prosecution look politically motivated. It won't help much of course.

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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Aoui » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:28 am

Interested to see how differently this goes in the courts than with the whole Jan 6th debacle.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... s-movement
Strangely this news is not on the NOS front page (dutch news), so I checked out the Hamburger Abendblatt and the NDR. Naturally it's far more interesting, with far more information in German. Seems to have been quite a conspiracy they had going on there....

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Post by Little waster » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:54 pm

Aoui wrote:
Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:28 am
Interested to see how differently this goes in the courts than with the whole Jan 6th debacle.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... s-movement
Strangely this news is not on the NOS front page (dutch news), so I checked out the Hamburger Abendblatt and the NDR. Naturally it's far more interesting, with far more information in German. Seems to have been quite a conspiracy they had going on there....
To recap their plan.

Step 1. 50 sad tw.ts storm the German Parliament

Step 2. *A miracle happens*

Step 3. The US, UK, France and Russia agree to reinstate the Third Reich.

I think Step 2 needs a bit more work.

And here's me thinking Brexit was the nadir of deluded far-right thinking ...
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection

Post by Aoui » Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:49 am

I can't imagine they had a prayer of actually taking over the government. They might have killed a few people and gotten a few nutjobs in a lather who might have gone out to practice a bit of violence. They also would have gotten the complete and total ire of the majority of the country. But I can't imagine them actually taking control of any part of the government. But the difference is that the real ring leaders are all heading to court and I suspect they will lose. Very unlike the mess in the U.S. Of course, it's all quite different..I know. The U.S. had a traitor in charge when january 6th happened, but the biggest difference will be how many of the leaders actually get more than a slap on the hand or just a stern glance.

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