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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:19 pm
by tenchboy
Since Ms Hutchinson's testimony, a source close to the Secret Service has told CBS News that both the agent and driver travelling in the car with Mr Trump were willing to testify under oath that the former president did not physically attack either of them and never attempted to grab the steering wheel.
BBC
Up to you whether you go with, "well they w'd say that wun't they" or "well, actually, that's exactly why they don't allow reports of unsworn interlocutors in a courtroom"
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:03 pm
by Stranger Mouse
tenchboy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:19 pm
Since Ms Hutchinson's testimony, a source close to the Secret Service has told CBS News that both the agent and driver travelling in the car with Mr Trump were willing to testify under oath that the former president did not physically attack either of them and never attempted to grab the steering wheel.
BBC
Up to you whether you go with, "well they w'd say that wun't they" or "well, actually, that's exactly why they don't allow reports of unsworn interlocutors in a courtroom"
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Exactly. We have:
1) Person under threat of criminal perjury states that she was told by Person C that Person B had been attacked by Trump (told in the presence of Person B who remained silent but looked stressed). Some reporting suggests that Persons B and C have already confirmed this to the committee in closed door testimony under oath but even if they haven’t their boss has officially confirmed they will testify if requested to.
2) A reporter not under threat of criminal perjury says that an anonymous source told them that Person B and Person C had said there was no attack but that Trump was irate and pressured them to take him to the Capitol.
3) BTW Person under oath said she heard Trump himself try to get his armed supporters to the Capitol shortly before he publicly told his supporters to go to the Capitol and fight like Hell.
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:46 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:03 pm
tenchboy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:19 pm
Since Ms Hutchinson's testimony, a source close to the Secret Service has told CBS News that both the agent and driver travelling in the car with Mr Trump were willing to testify under oath that the former president did not physically attack either of them and never attempted to grab the steering wheel.
BBC
Up to you whether you go with, "well they w'd say that wun't they" or "well, actually, that's exactly why they don't allow reports of unsworn interlocutors in a courtroom"
Edit quotefail
Exactly. We have:
1) Person under threat of criminal perjury states that she was told by Person C that Person B had been attacked by Trump (told in the presence of Person B who remained silent but looked stressed). Some reporting suggests that Persons B and C have already confirmed this to the committee in closed door testimony under oath but even if they haven’t their boss has officially confirmed they will testify if requested to.
2) A reporter not under threat of criminal perjury says that an anonymous source told them that Person B and Person C had said there was no attack but that Trump was irate and pressured them to take him to the Capitol.
3) BTW Person under oath said she heard Trump himself try to get his armed supporters to the Capitol shortly before he publicly told his supporters to go to the Capitol and fight like Hell.
Now this is really juicy. Worth watching in full
https://twitter.com/maddowblog/status/1 ... UTer9EJ7Mg
ETA: TL;DR The two agents are somewhat Trump loyalists and there is a connection with why Pence didn’t want to get in his car
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:42 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Yeah this secret service agent who is (possibly because it’s via an anonymous source) disputing the stuff about the steering wheel but not AR15s is a Trump loyalist
More people calling him a liar
https://twitter.com/oliviatroye/status/ ... EiPzUkLyXg
And
https://twitter.com/alyssafarah/status/ ... EiPzUkLyXg
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:08 pm
by Stranger Mouse
bl..dy Hell. They actually have security footage of Trump’s altercation with the secret service agents
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 4A1Q12n0DQ
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:40 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Nuts that all this is only coming out now, rather than during the impeachment.
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:24 am
by Stranger Mouse
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:40 pm
Nuts that all this is only coming out now, rather than during the impeachment.
Well the Jan 6 insurrection was on…..errr…Jan 6 and the impeachment was triggered on 25th Jan so it’s not surprising that some stuff has taken so long to come out. I understand the Jan 6 Committee has done around 5000 interviews and the DOJ has charged over 800 people so it’s been quite the information gathering exercise. And of course the Republicans were running interference all along because they are scared of Trump while Trump himself installed loyalists (eg Ortano) all over the place to f.ck up as much as they could.
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:34 am
by temptar
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:48 am
by Stranger Mouse
temptar wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:34 am
No way is this genuine.
I’m beginning to have my suspicions it may not be entirely legit
https://youtu.be/rQqg4GkP_dI
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:28 pm
by Al Capone Junior
The entire process seems to be designed to point out every bit of douchebaggery that came out of the whole pass flavored cotton candy guy's political machine whilst carefully avoiding doing anything about it
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:24 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Kinzinger has released recordings of messages left at his office. Some of the idiots sound like stereotypes but I have no doubt that they are genuine
https://twitter.com/repkinzinger/status ... sJDmgdsOsg
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:35 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Due to start at 6pm if anyone is interested
https://youtu.be/spJR5Y5_f4c
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:52 pm
by Opti
They start work late there!
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:12 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Opti wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:52 pm
They start work late there!
They’re just lazy!
Brandi live tweeting it again
https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... e2L1NRD_bQ
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:15 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:57 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Giuliani! Drink!
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Summary so far
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:00 pm
by FlammableFlower
Wow, that is something else
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:13 pm
by Stranger Mouse
ETA video to go with screenshot
https://twitter.com/january6thcmte/stat ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Quite
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Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:01 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Holy sh.t. Apparently after the last hearing Trump still tried to contact a witness (one we haven’t seen yet) and the details have been passed to the DOJ. At the end of the last hearing Cheney basically warned the Trumpers off doing that and he did it anyway.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:07 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:01 pm
Holy sh.t. Apparently after the last hearing Trump still tried to contact a witness (one we haven’t seen yet) and the details have been passed to the DOJ. At the end of the last hearing Cheney basically warned the Trumpers off doing that and he did it anyway.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Apparently they tried to contact Cassidy Hutchinson via a cutout but Trump tried to contact this witness (a member of the White House support staff with whom he had no normal contact) himself. It looks like it could be about the ketchup on the wall incident? How does he not realise how guilty of witness intimidation this makes him look? And has he run out of people to do his dirty work for him?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/politics ... index.html
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 am
by Martin_B
Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:07 pm
Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:01 pm
Holy sh.t. Apparently after the last hearing Trump still tried to contact a witness (one we haven’t seen yet) and the details have been passed to the DOJ. At the end of the last hearing Cheney basically warned the Trumpers off doing that and he did it anyway.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1546 ... ZN9IuiXMAg
Apparently they tried to contact Cassidy Hutchinson via a cutout but Trump tried to contact this witness (a member of the White House support staff with whom he had no normal contact) himself. It looks like it could be about the ketchup on the wall incident? How does he not realise how guilty of witness intimidation this makes him look? And has he run out of people to do his dirty work for him?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/politics ... index.html
He liked to boast about his mob connections, so maybe he sees witness intimidation as normal
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:58 am
by EACLucifer
"Day of the Rope" is from the Turner Diaries, an utterly despicable piece of white-supremacist and antisemitic "literature" that is popular with the extreme right in the States.
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:40 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Looks like the Secret Service have taken on private counsel for their dealings with the Jan 6 Committee.
It does look really bad
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -committee
The final prime time hearing is at 1am UK time. Will be wild.
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:38 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Video thread that can be read from the top but this particular tweet if of an anonymised security pro saying that Secret Service agents protecting Pence were sending messages to their families in case they didn’t survive.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550 ... zRgQhy1_rg
A predominately text thread
https://twitter.com/brandi_buchman/stat ... zRgQhy1_rg
The committee rips it out of Josh Hawley
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vid ... iots-video
The immediate reaction to the Hawley running video
https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/stat ... zRgQhy1_rg
Thread of Hawley running to different themes
https://twitter.com/the_mal_gallery/sta ... zRgQhy1_rg
Michael Fanone reacting to Hawley
https://twitter.com/jcwhittington_/stat ... zRgQhy1_rg
There will be more hearings later in the year
Re: US 2021 Capitol insurrection
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:53 pm
by lpm
Bannon guilty on 2 counts
- obstruction of Congress
- wearing too many shirts