Scrutable

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:33 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:39 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:51 pm

He and his family have Secret Service protection so they’re never going to prison although with a bit of luck we could get house arrest.

Eh?

The secret service have to obey the law, just like everyone else. And the secret service protection can be withdrawn.

Not according to all the lawyers I heard discussing this on MSNBC but I claim no expertise

ETA the kids may not be safe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_Presidents_Act

Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security, the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect the following persons: ... (3) Former Presidents and their spouses for their lifetimes, except that protection of a spouse shall terminate in the event of remarriage.
(4) Children of a former President who are under 16 years of age. ...

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:50 am

n00b question re:stealing documents

Did the Trump-era USA really have documents that could be physically stolen, ie exist in single copies vulnerable to being (for sake of example) bogwashed? Or do they have digital backups?

In the latter case, it sounds like the warning against storing my library books in an electronic data retrieval system. But a useful broad net to search the safe of an obviously guilty c.nt. (And you still shouldn't necessarily do it, even if unauthorized copying isn't theft.)

jimbob wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:24 pm

What did they have on Macron?

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:50 am

n00b question re:stealing documents

Did the Trump-era USA really have documents that could be physically stolen, ie exist in single copies vulnerable to being (for sake of example) bogwashed? Or do they have digital backups?

In the latter case, it sounds like the warning against storing my library books in an electronic data retrieval system. But a useful broad net to search the safe of an obviously guilty c.nt. (And you still shouldn't necessarily do it, even if unauthorized copying isn't theft.)

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Meanwhile in Russia: Putin's mouthpieces on state TV are taunting America about "Top Secret" documents sought during the raid of Trump's estate, which they claim had to do with the newest nuclear weapons developed by the US and gleefully imply that Moscow already got to see them.

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:49 am

It's worth noting that the argument various Trumpists are using - that maybe he declassified them and didn't tell anyone - already has precedent against it in court. During his COVID-fueled extra weird tweeting spree just before the election, he tweeted about declassifying a bunch of stuff. When journos - can't remember which publication - used that to seek something sensitive - I think the unredacted Mueller report but don't quote me on that - it was held he hadn't declassified things just by saying he had on Twitter. Pretty sure that covers the idea of him doing it and just not telling anyone.

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:46 am

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:49 am

It's worth noting that the argument various Trumpists are using - that maybe he declassified them and didn't tell anyone - already has precedent against it in court. During his COVID-fueled extra weird tweeting spree just before the election, he tweeted about declassifying a bunch of stuff. When journos - can't remember which publication - used that to seek something sensitive - I think the unredacted Mueller report but don't quote me on that - it was held he hadn't declassified things just by saying he had on Twitter. Pretty sure that covers the idea of him doing it and just not telling anyone.

If Trump secretly telepathically declassified them before leaving office it’s ok because Biden secretly telepathically reclassified them on attaining the Presidency..

Anyway none of the charges against him required documentation to be classified to land him in the sh.t.

jimbob wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:48 am

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:46 am

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:49 am

It's worth noting that the argument various Trumpists are using - that maybe he declassified them and didn't tell anyone - already has precedent against it in court. During his COVID-fueled extra weird tweeting spree just before the election, he tweeted about declassifying a bunch of stuff. When journos - can't remember which publication - used that to seek something sensitive - I think the unredacted Mueller report but don't quote me on that - it was held he hadn't declassified things just by saying he had on Twitter. Pretty sure that covers the idea of him doing it and just not telling anyone.

If Trump secretly telepathically declassified them before leaving office it’s ok because Biden secretly telepathically reclassified them on attaining the Presidency..

Anyway none of the charges against him required documentation to be classified to land him in the sh.t.

Some of the documents are reportedly so sensitive that the FBI is reportedly taking fingerprints to determine who actually touched them.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:05 pm

Meanwhile Russian state TV is taunting the US and claiming to have received details of the latest nuclear weapons.

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:18 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:48 am

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:46 am

If Trump secretly telepathically declassified them before leaving office it’s ok because Biden secretly telepathically reclassified them on attaining the Presidency..

Anyway none of the charges against him required documentation to be classified to land him in the sh.t.

Some of the documents are reportedly so sensitive that the FBI is reportedly taking fingerprints to determine who actually touched them.

I’ve heard some of the people sitting on various intelligence committees saying that when they see some of the information they have to go to a secure location, leave all phones ,pens, paper etc in a box, get checked by security guards before they enter etc. The same rules apply to the President. Simply leaving the room with an original or copy document should get anyone who does so sent down for years.

headshot wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:49 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:18 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:48 am

Some of the documents are reportedly so sensitive that the FBI is reportedly taking fingerprints to determine who actually touched them.

I’ve heard some of the people sitting on various intelligence committees saying that when they see some of the information they have to go to a secure location, leave all phones ,pens, paper etc in a box, get checked by security guards before they enter etc. The same rules apply to the President. Simply leaving the room with an original or copy document should get anyone who does so sent down for years.

Yeah. That’s a SCIF:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensiti ... n_facility

In Oct 2021, CIA Counterintelligence sent a top secret cable warning an unusually number of confidential informants were being killed, captured, or compromised.

In Jan 2021, Trump stole documents on these kind of informants.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:30 pm

You'll be shocked to learn that the unredacted letter from Trump's lawyers that was given to the judge by the prosecutors reveals that Donald Trump has repeatedly mischaracterized his interactions with the National Archives.

NEW: DOJ suggests Trump counsel and Trump custodian — understood to be Christina Bobb — committed obstruction by representing that all docs from WH were in one storage location when they weren’t, and that all docs were turned over in response to subpoena when they weren’t

DOJ: “That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many docs with classification markings as the “diligent search” that the former President’s counsel and other reps had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification”