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Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:46 pm
by El Pollo Diablo
I've split the test and track and trace and trust and triffic app discussion off into the pandemic arena here.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:47 pm
by Woodchopper
El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:46 pm
I've split the test and track and trace and trust and triffic app discussion off into the pandemic arena here.
Thanks for that, I was just about to
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:07 pm
by Woodchopper
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:47 am
by Woodchopper
Decision on a European Parliament plenary vote to ratify the TCA deferred. Looks like MEPs want more evidence of UK compliance on NI Protocol
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 20067?s=20
Pretty soon the legal experts will start writing blog posts about how long provisional application of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement can continue and when the deadline for ratification actually is or isn't.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:59 am
by Bird on a Fire
Provisional TCA has a certain ring to it in this context....
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:42 am
by Gfamily
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:59 am
Provisional TCA has a certain ring to it in this context....
Particularly with the UK committing its sin: feigning compliance to the NI protocol.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:21 pm
by Woodchopper
The United Kingdom has asked for more time to respond to the legal action taken by the EU over it’s unilateral decision to ease the requirements of the Northern Ireland Protocol
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 96673?s=20
Longer thread at the link.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 2:01 pm
by Woodchopper
Detailed and comprehensive summary of where we are with the Northern Ireland Protocol:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0520/13002 ... -protocol/
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 9:37 pm
by JQH
Up sh.t creek sans paddle, it would appear.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 11:11 am
by Bird on a Fire
Well played photo editor
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 1:20 pm
by IvanV
It makes much of Johnson's confrontational approach. This
David Allen Green post suggests recent signs that Johnson might be trying to wind down the confrontation a bit.
A further post a couple of days later points out the obvious that hard Brexit has created a self-inflicted problem with no real solution short of a united Ireland. There's some interesting comments too.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 12:27 am
by dyqik
JQH wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 9:37 pm
Up sh.t creek sans paddle, it would appear.
Up sh.t creek on board the Ever Given?
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:30 am
by Woodchopper
The UVF is warning of a winter of discontent if Liz Truss fails to deliver on her Protocol promise.
Terror chiefs have made it clear the removal of the controversial Irish Sea border is a minimal requirement – and if not met they will take to the streets.
The paramilitary group has adopted a wait and see strategy as Truss takes up the reins at Number 10, but alarm bells have sounded in the days after her arrival in Downing Street.
[…]
The Sunday World understands there has been a series of meetings in recent weeks which have addressed a number of concerns including the Protocol but also the UVF’s continued involvement in drugs.
The terror group orchestrated civic unrest last year which saw vehicles hijacked and the appearance of armed men on the streets of Belfast.
It is now understood they are losing faith in Truss’s repeated promises and are prepared respond with fresh disturbances.
DUP chief Sir Jeffrey Donaldson has made it clear his party will not return to the power sharing Executive until the Protocol is gone.
The UVF has made it clear they will not tolerate any compromise. Any indication of a weakening of the DUP position will set in motion a planned campaign of disruption.
Sources have told us action will involve disruption to public services and possibly, as previously threatened, targeting Irish companies operating in the North.
The Sunday World understands Commander in Chief John `Bunter’ Graham was left in no doubt as to the mood among his Brigade staff.
There are risks too for Donaldson. Well placed UVF sources have told the Sunday world the organisation will ``turn on him’’ should the DUP leader return to Stormont with Protocol, in any form, still in place.
Graham has come under increased pressure from British security services over the last few years but is being increasingly seen as a leader in name only.
He is understood to be desperate to avoid street violence but has been constantly overruled by this Brigade staff.
https://www.sundayworld.com/news/northe ... 63006.html
The UK EU fudges on NI could be ended with street violence.
Article also looks at drug trafficking by the UVF.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:34 am
by Woodchopper
The backdrop is the NI results from the 2021 census, which show that for the first time Catholics are a plurality and a marked decline in people identifying as British.
https://www.nisra.gov.uk/statistics/202 ... statistics
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:42 am
by IvanV
The bit about "marked decline in people identifying as British" is interesting. Maybe the traditional practicality that if you aren't a catholic, you are in effect a protestant whether you like it or not, is breaking down.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:16 am
by Woodchopper
IvanV wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:42 am
The bit about "marked decline in people identifying as British" is interesting. Maybe the traditional practicality that if you aren't a catholic, you are in effect a protestant whether you like it or not, is breaking down.
Possibly.
The big long term shifts are a decline in the number of people stating that they are protestants, an increase in those stating that they are catholic, and an increase in the number of non-believers or those who don't state a preference.
That said, the decline in people identifying exclusively as British (from 40% in 2011 to 32% in 2021) is far more rapid than the changes in religious affiliation. It seems to be a result of a shift from people identifying as exclusively British to seeing themselves as Northern Irish. The number identifying as Irish only is only slightly up. So it looks like part of the 'not-Irish' constituency has shifted from being unionist to having a distinctive Northern Irish identity. Possibly as a result of being sold down the river by the supposed unionists who have been in power in Westminster for the past 12 years.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:27 pm
by Sciolus
Also what is surely an effect of Brexit:
Information was gathered on passports held by people usually resident in Northern Ireland. The statistics were:
UK passport 53%
Irish passport 32%
no passport 16%
In 2011, the percentages were:
UK passport 59%
Irish passport 21%
no passport 19%
The percentage of people holding a British passport fell in every council area, while the numbers holding an Irish passport rose in all council areas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:49 pm
by Brightonian
Sciolus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:27 pm
Also what is surely an effect of Brexit:
Information was gathered on passports held by people usually resident in Northern Ireland. The statistics were:
UK passport 53%
Irish passport 32%
no passport 16%
In 2011, the percentages were:
UK passport 59%
Irish passport 21%
no passport 19%
The percentage of people holding a British passport fell in every council area, while the numbers holding an Irish passport rose in all council areas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394
Taking rounding into account, those percentages add up to 100. But surely there are some who have both UK and Irish passports, and some who have other passports (Belgian, Brazilian, whatever).
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:17 pm
by dyqik
Brightonian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:49 pm
Sciolus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:27 pm
Also what is surely an effect of Brexit:
Information was gathered on passports held by people usually resident in Northern Ireland. The statistics were:
UK passport 53%
Irish passport 32%
no passport 16%
In 2011, the percentages were:
UK passport 59%
Irish passport 21%
no passport 19%
The percentage of people holding a British passport fell in every council area, while the numbers holding an Irish passport rose in all council areas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394
Taking rounding into account, those percentages add up to 100. But surely there are some who have both UK and Irish passports, and some who have other passports (Belgian, Brazilian, whatever).
Those may cancel out.
Re: UK-EU relations and Northern Ireland
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:46 pm
by Sciolus
Yeah, I'm not sure how they calculated those percentages, given there is a non-negligible fraction with both UK and ROI passports, but as long as it was done consistently for the two years, the difference is large enough that the conclusion is robust. Figures for 2021 are in Woodchopper's link above, I'm too lazy to find the 2011 figures.